tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29721847980650334592024-03-19T00:29:59.704-07:00Bob Shell's BlogA Custom Reloader of Obsolete and Antique Ammo, Bob Shell, writes about the subject of Guns, Ammo, Shooting and Related Subjects.Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-15738031855650820922015-07-17T12:01:00.000-07:002015-07-17T12:01:09.498-07:00Browning/Winchester Model 92 45 Colt<div class="MsoNormal">
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">Due to its light weight the 92 is easy to handle by anyone</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Browning
Model 92 <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Browning has been around for many years and
they make Winchester rifles including the 92. The model 92 was originally
offered in the 25-20 and 32-20. The receiver is compact allowing for
portability. It replaced the model 73 and among the good features it is more
compact and stronger then the older model. The model 92 was one of the many rifles that
John Browning designed in his lifetime. It
is a scaled down model 86. They currently offer this in 357 mag, 44 mag, and 45 Colt which is the
one I have. My sample is in the 45 Colt chambering and with modern loads can be
used for deer, pigs, and black bear. Mountain lions have met their match with
this rifle. Where legal a handgun with the same ammo can be carried a feature
useful in isolated areas. If you have a strong revolver such as a Ruger then
good hunting ammo can be carried in either.
The 45 Colt has been around since
1873 and was the most popular revolver round in the old west. There are many different
loads available and ammo is available. Reloading components are plentiful so
having a 45 Colt rifle is something worth owning. Personally, I would like to
see the 25-20 and 32-20 offered but I guess the demand isn’t there. Too bad.
Also due to the perfect size of the action, the 38-40 and the 44-40 would be
nice additions as there are handguns available for those offerings. Unfortunately, there isn’t enough demand to
offer these chamberings. They have another model chambered for the 454 Casull
for those who want more power. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Browning has been around for a long time and
offers an extensive line of guns and other shooting related products. For info,
you can go to </span><a href="http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/catalog.asp?catalog_=B"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/catalog.asp?catalog_=B</span></a><span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">Shooting this rifle is a pleasure. It is well
balanced and the trigger is fine for this gun. Other people who shot it also
were favorably impressed. The ejection is very frisky kicking the empties some
yards some info for reloaders. When I first received it, the action was pretty
smooth indicating some hand finishing. After some shooting, it got even better.
Since it has a higher price tag then some others you would expect that. The bluing and wood are well done another
feature expected on such a gun. One way
to test a gun is to let a verity of people shoots it including women and youngsters.
Due to its size and weight almost anyone can handle it. That way several opinions are given and it
doesn’t matter what level experience they possess. The important thing is how
do they like it and would they buy it if they were looking for such a gun.
Comments were favorable in regards to balance and trigger pull. Like the other
political correct lever actions it has a safety located in back of the hammer.
It is easy to use though not needed. The
only negative comment I heard was the price. It is higher than a couple of it
competitors. Some of that extra cost can be attributed to the extra finishing
and polishing which may not be visible. If
you don’t mind the tariff then you will be happy with this gun as it does have
good quality. Due to its good handling
characteristics it should find favor with the cowboy action shooting
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since it is primarily a hunting rifle and may be used in cowboy competition,
those loads will be used. In addition it is able to take modern loads which
will make it useful for game such as deer and black bear. I have some 80 grain button bullets which I
put 3 into a 45 Colt case. At close range they didn’t come apart much but at 35
yards they were hitting about 4 feet from each other. That would be a decent
home defense load. The rifle will handle a 300 grain bullet at 1500 FPS which
would make it a decent close range hammer. Accuracy with the open sights is good
depending on how good your eyesight is. At 50 yards I can shoot a 3-4” group
but my eyes are not as young as they were. A younger shooter with good eyes can
expect to shoot a 2” group at that range and perhaps a little better. The
sights are easy to pick up and shooting at 50 to 100 yards if you can shoot. It would be possible to mount a scope though
it would take some work however, it would ruin the balance. In my view a scope
would not be a desirable addition. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">Barnes makes good hunting bullets</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Some loads were chronographed giving us an
idea as to its potential. As can be seen some are powerful enough for deer
sized game at woods ranges. I use some
Ranier bullets but I have to put a cannelure in them to keep them in place. I
tried crimping the case into the bullet but that does not always work. Since
they are soft, be careful not to put the cannelure in too deep as that will
weaken the bullet. A too deep cannelure can also destroy accuracy. Properly cannelured bullets usually give good accuracy. Cast
bullets work well and some of the heavier ones are good hunting bullets such as
the LBT types. They have gas checks and are cast hard for heavy duty use. Cast
bullets can be used in virtually all of your shooting. A quality cast bullet
with the proper lube will be as accurate as any jacketed projectile. In addition,
they cost less and you can mold them if you are so inclined. Those folks who
turn up their nose at cast slugs are missing out on a lot of enjoyable
shooting. The Barnes all copper bullets
are light but penetrate well plus reduce recoil some. Since Barnes bullets are
all copper they will be more friendly to the environment and in California they
are required for hunting. The only downside is they cost more than conventional
cup and core bullets. The Colt round responds well to light loads
but I would use a flake powder to take up space as it is a large case. For real
light loads Trail Boss is a good choice.
The shorter 45 Schofield case can be used but it might not feed through
the magazine tube due to its shorter length. Hornady makes 200 and 225-grain FTX
bullets, which will give you some more range. The tip may also aid in expanding
on a deer sized animal. Due to the
plastic type tips, they should be safe in the model 92 magazine. With this gun
you have a lot of viable options as to what you can do with it. If you don’t
mind the mess black powder also does well as that was the original powder used
in the 45 Colt round. With the vast
selection of components, the reloader has never had it so good. For hunting there is a selection of factory ammo suitable for big
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Tap 160 grain Barnes TAC
XP 1280 consistent<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Defense 1279 ok<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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2400 225
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Tap 255 grain hard cast 1057 deer<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Herco 275 grain cast 1126 accurate<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Factory ammo is available thought not
inexpensive. For this test I used some Double Tap ammo and as usual it
performed well. They have an extensive line of ammo and for info you can go to </span><a href="http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/category&path=125"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/category&path=125</span></a><span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Barnes ammo and bullets and while expensive it is an excellent choice for
hunting. For info you can go to </span><a href="http://www.barnesbullets.com/"><span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">http://www.barnesbullets.com/</span></a><span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> In spite of the popularity of the black guns, a
few manufacturers offer guns in various calibers and models that duplicate the
old designs but are affordable for the average shooter. Lever guns was an
exclusive American design and are very popular among hunters. Cowboy action shooting is a popular pastime
and is getting more popular. Another upside of these guns is they are not as
regulated in some states that have draconian gun laws. Most have good quality and are well worth
owning. The Browning is a high quality gun and if the price doesn’t bother you
it is a thumbs up as far as I am concerned. Taken care of it will last many
years giving generations something to enjoy.
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The 30 caliber is
the most popular rifle around. It is one of the earlier ones offered and there
were and are a lot of them around. These days it seems that a new one is
offered every other day. They come in all sizes and shapes. Are they better
then the 30’s from yesterday? That could be a matter of opinion. In truth
modern rifles are more accurate some capable of ¼ to ½” groups at 100 yards.
The rifles covered in this book are generally capable of 1 to 2” groups at the
same range but in woods hunting that isn’t important. In the 1890’s the 30-30
and 303 Savage did a fine job bringing down deer. These days deer and bear
haven’t grown body armor. A properly placed shot and decent bullet will do the
job and that is true from the 1890’s to today. Bullets and gunpowders are
better then ever today which benefits the oldies as well as the new
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By the early 1890’s
smokeless powder was becoming better known to the public as well as the gun makers.
The militaries of the world were all using the stuff for their small arms as
well as their machine guns. Of course the public wanted hunting arms chambered
for the new stuff as it gave higher velocities and longer ranges. At first
higher velocities brought out problems with bullet designs but that’s another
story. Anyway in 1895 <st1:city w:st="on">Winchester</st1:city>
brought out the 94 in 30-30 and the race was on. The 30-30 is considered one of
the first civilian small bore smokeless cartridges. As far as I know the 30-40 Krag was brought
out in 1893 in the Winchester Hi Wall as the first American sporting cartridge
in smokeless powder. Unlike Remington and <st1:city w:st="on">Winchester</st1:city>,
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When <st1:place w:st="on">Winchester</st1:place> brought out the
model 94 in 30-30 in 1895 Savage among others saw a good thing and wanted to
get in on it. The Savage model 99 was introduced in 1895 in a variety of
calibers including the 303. When first brought out it was developed as a
potential military cartridge but that never came about. An earlier version was
placed in the military trials against about 50 other designs but the Krag won
out. Also for a while it used .311 diameter bullets but at some point changed
to 308 early in production. Some factory loads can be found in the 311 diameter
and I have miked them as such. Also the factory offered a 190 grain bullet
which was liked by some hunters for its potential penetration. Most
manufacturing activity for Savage ammo ceased after WW ll though an occasional
lot was produced from time to time. While ballistically similar to the 30-30
they would not interchange. The Savage case was shorter and fatter then the
more successful 30-30. Unlike the 30 Remington the Savage round was never
necked up or down commercially. Some people have asked me if it’s ok to fire a
30-30 in a 303. In a word NO! The 30-30 base is .020 smaller then the 303 so
there would likely be a case rupture which could be disastrous. While the 99 is
a fine action capable of handling some high intensity calibers such as the 308 <st1:city w:st="on">Winchester</st1:city> you still need
to make sure you are firing the correct cartridge. Happily the 99 is still
around and should be for a long time. I have several model 99 Savage rifles and
they function as they should. The magazine feeds in a flawless manner as long
as the ammo isn’t too long and the safety locks the lever in place and prevents
the gun from firing accidentally. For a hunting gun the trigger is pretty
decent breaking around 5 lbs or so depending on which rifle I use. I have a
friend who collects model 99 Savages and has an example that has 30 Savage
stamped on the barrel. Initially we thought that it was a 303 Savage but it
turned out to be a 30-30 <st1:city w:st="on">Winchester</st1:city>.
Back in those days there was some hard feelings between Savage and <st1:place w:st="on">Winchester</st1:place> and apparently
even though Savage chambered for the 30-30 they wouldn’t acknowledge it in
writing.</div>
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While the 30-30 still
flourishes the 303 and the other competitor the 30 Remington fell by the
wayside years back. Ammo for both is hard to find and cases for reloading,
especially for the 303 have pretty well dried up. Sometimes factory ammo can be
found at a gun show but don’t count on it. Making brass for the 303 is very
difficult unless you have special equipment. The 30-40 Krag and 303 British
cases can be swaged down and used if you have the tooling to do it. The rim on
both has to be cut down also in order to chamber in the 303. Norma recently
introduced brass for the 303 and Huntington Die sells it. Graff and Jamison
both list 303 Savage brass but as of this writing it’s not available on a
general scale. Loading data can be found in some of the older manuals and
Cartridges of the World. Also 30-30 loading data can be used if you are
careful. The factory at one time offered a 190 grain bullet which was liked by
hunters for its penetration. Another
thing is unlike the 30-30 or 30 Remington the Savage round was never offered in
25 ,32 or any other caliber based on the Savage case. While the 303 case could
be wildcatted I don’t see the point in such an exercise.</div>
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The model 99 is a
strong rifle as evidenced by some of its chamberings in calibers such as the
308 <st1:place w:st="on">Winchester</st1:place>.
Having said that it doesn’t mean that you should try and make a 308 out of the
303 Savage round. There are many factors involved in reloading ammo and using
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The Savage rifle that
I shot gave good groups at 50 yards with open sights. I was able to keep them
in a 2” or less group which is good for me. Since the gun is older and original
I won’t drill or tap it for a scope despite the fact that it would be more
accurate. Feeding and function was flawless. The Savage has the ability to take
pointed bullets because it’s a rotary magazine as opposed to the model 94 <st1:city w:st="on">Winchester</st1:city> or Marlin 336
tubular magazines. That would give it a slightly flatter trajectory as compared
to the flat nose bullets. How much of an advantage that is open to conjecture.
As a note Hornady recently introduced pointed bullets that are safe in tubular
magazines for the 30-30 as well as other chamberings. I use the same bullets as
I use in the 30 Remington and the 30-30. I do make the 180 grain flat nose to
try and duplicate the old factory load and it shoots well. It should be
adequate for a black bear and wild boar at woods ranges. Some of the older
Savage rifles have a cartridge counter which is visible on the receiver.</div>
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The 30 Remington</div>
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Remington saw that
the <st1:place w:st="on">Winchester</st1:place>
and Savage rounds were selling well so they wanted a piece of the pie. They
took a different approach by offering their rimless round in the pump and auto
rifles as they thought that was more modern and hoped to cut in on sales of the
other two. The model 8 autoloader was brought out in 1906 while the model 14
pump was introduced in 1912. The model 8 was a John Browning design and given
to Remington to manufacture. It was the first auto-loading rifle produced in a
serious hunting caliber that worked. It
was produced from 1906 to 1936 and then updated to a model 81 and produced until
1950. It was chambered in the 25, 30 32 and 35 Remington. The 300 Savage was
added to the model 81. Sales were poor and the main reason seemed to be the
poor location and design of the safety. It was noisy and poorly placed for a
hunting rifle. The model 14 pump was designed by John Peterson and Crawford
Loomis prominent designers at Remington at that time. The pump was brought out
in 25, 30 and 32 Remington and later the 35 which still survives to this day in
various rifles. There were about 125,000
rifles produced in the model 14 and the 14 & ½ until 1934 when the model
141 appeared. It was brought out in the model 30 bolt action rifle in 1921.
Stevens made some lever and autoloader rifles for the 30 Remington for a few
years. No one has made rifles for it since WW ll though it was fairly popular
during its production period. The case isn’t based on any existing design and
was offered in 25 and 32 calibers as well. Around the same time they introduced
the 35 Remington based on a different case and its still being produced today.
Remington still makes unprimed cases for the 30 and they can be obtained at
Huntington Die. The cases can be necked up or down for the 32 and 25 calibers
as needed. </div>
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I have a model 14
pump that was made in the late 1920’s and stayed in the same family until I
bought it a few years ago at a gun show. The owner reported that his
grandfather used it to harvest deer for quite a few years and it gave good
service. At some time in its existence it was reblued. My impression of this
gun is if you want a slick light handling woods gun this may be the one for
you. It’s light and slender and points well. The safety is located at the rear
of the trigger guard and works much like many pump shotguns do. The safety can
be released as you are bringing the gun up to your shoulder making it fast to
get into action. To unload the gun there is a button located on the bolt that
opens it. It also works fine. The only drawback to a pump is the weak camming
power to extract an empty. Cases need to be full length sized and maximum loads
should be avoided. Accuracy is about the same as a lever action with comparable
ammo. With open sights you can count on 2 “ groups at 50 yards give or take.
While no longer made they can be found at gun shows for reasonable prices and
are generally in decent shape. They were hunters gun rather then a shooters.
That means that they were carried a lot more then they were shot. Like the lever actions it has a tubular
magazine confining it to flat or round nose bullets. The magazine tube has an
odd twist look which according to some reports made it possible to use pointed
bullets though I don’t see how that would help. In the bolt action rifle you
can use pointed bullets and extend your range a little. If someone made a slender light bolt action
rifle for it today it may be a fairly decent seller as everyone seems to want
lighter hunting rifles. I might buy one myself if it weighed around 5 & ½
to 6 lbs with a 20” barrel.</div>
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With cases and dies
available the reloader has it pretty good in so far as ammo goes. Loading data
can be found in Cartridges of the World or use 30-30 loads in most cases. Since
everyone makes bullets for the 30-30 you are in luck there. The powders that work best in the 30-30 and
the 303 Savage also work well in the Remington round. The 30 Remington case is
rimless as opposed to rimmed on the 303 Savage and the 30-30. That is an
attempt to make it a more modern case. Here are some loads that I have shot in
my test rifle and they worked well. For best results you need to full length
size the cases each time you fire them.
There were 7 shots fired through the chronograph and the first screen
was 10 feet from the muzzle. These rifles while well made are not real strong.
Loads should be kept at 40,000 psi or less for best results. I am confident that
over loading these rifles will wear them out in short order. </div>
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12 X Unique
110 grain round nose
1829 ok</div>
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32 X Data 4197
110 grain round nose
2573
varmint</div>
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32 X AA_2460
150 grain Remington
2215 ok</div>
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35 X 748 150 grain
Remington 2210 fair</div>
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10 X Trail Boss
165 grain cast
1171 good
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10 X Unique
165 grain cast
1519
consistent</div>
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31 X AA_2520
170 grain Remington 2105 ok</div>
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30 X AA-2460
170 grain Remington
1955 slow</div>
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Winchester Factory
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2162 good
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33 X 748 180 grain 1952 mild</div>
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180 grain
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As long as there is a
woods to hunt in these 30 calibers will do the job. While they aren't as glitzy
as some of the newer offerings they will kill a deer just as dead. Deer haven’t
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In the last couple of
years some new products came out that enhances the 30-30, 303 Savage and 30
Remington. Hornady has come out with a 165 grain Flex Tip bullet that is
suitable for the inline magazines that the 30=30 and 30 Remington produce. With
conventional pointed bullets you run the risk of having a bullet set off a
cartridge in the magazine with disastrous consequences. The Flex Tip prevents
that while extending the usable range of those rifles at least 100 yards.
Hodgdon Powder has come out with a new powder called LEVERevolution. It gives
an honest 100-150 feet per second over any other powder I have tried in these
three calibers. What that does is gives a hunter extra range for deer. You can
now hunt deer out to 250 yards or so provided you have the skill. That can be
important if you are on the edge of a bean field and your trophy is 250 yards
away instead of a hundred. You can go home with a trophy instead of
frustration. Accuracy is on par or
better then the conventional bullets and the tip is pushed back which helps the
bullet to expand at lower velocities. The only unfortunate event is apparently
Remington is going to discontinue making 30 Remington brass. That will be a
problem as there isn’t any brass that is easy to make it out of. Of course that
will impact the 25 and 32 Remington as well.
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Another old timer
that has mostly fallen by the wayside being replaced by the 308 is the 300
Savage. It was introduced in 1920 by Savage Arms for the model 99 lever action.
The original idea was to make it shoot a 150 grain bullet at the same velocity
as the 30-06 as it was loaded at the time in a shorter action. If they
accomplished that the pressures would be higher as it has a smaller capacity
case. The thought was if you could pack 30-06 power in a more compact package
the world would beat a path to your door. Back then as now the 30-06 is the
standard that all other cartridges are measured by. Some things never change.
Both Savage and Remington chambered their bolt action rifles for this cartridge.
Remington also made a pump rifle chambered for it. Savage chambered their 99
lever action for it also. The Savage model 20 and 40 bolt action rifles also
chambered it as well as the model 08 Remington semi auto rifle. The famous <st1:place w:st="on">Winchester</st1:place> pre 64 model 70
was also chambered for the 300. At one time the 300 Savage was quite a popular
round for hunting.</div>
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Basically it is a 308
<st1:place w:st="on">Winchester</st1:place> with
a short neck. In fact you can make 300 Savage cases by trimming the 308 to the
proper length and sizing. Normally that would not be necessary as the brass is
still available and inexpensive. I buy <st1:place w:st="on">Winchester</st1:place>
brass and seldom have a problem locating it. Loading dies are still made by all
major manufacturers and of course standard 30 caliber bullets abound. Anyone who
makes 30 caliber bullets will have something that is suitable for the Savage
round. Factory ammo is still around
though you may have to search for it. With all the new calibers coming out the
300 Savage is getting crowded off of the shelves. Plenty of rifles are
available though they are used as no one as far as I know regularly chambers
rifles for it. You can probably find one at a gun show or a used gun store as
they are still fairly common. Careful shopping can produce one in good
condition as they were generally hunting rather then shooting rifles. A typical
hunter may have shot it just a few times a year and carried it a lot. Many of
those old rifles will have carrying rather then shooting wear which is good for
the new owner. </div>
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Your medium burning
powders are the best suited for it with hunting weight bullets. Standard large
rifle primers are entirely suitable for this round.</div>
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Remington 722 rifle used in test</div>
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10 X Trail Boss 123 grain soft point 1329 high es</div>
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10 X Unique 123 grain soft point 1505 high es</div>
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20 X 5744 123 grain soft point 1859 ok</div>
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40 X 4197 123 grain soft
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39 X AA 2520 150 grain 2338 fair</div>
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38 X 4064 165 grain Sierra hp 2390 ok</div>
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42 X 4895 165 grain
Remington 2465 good load</div>
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41 X AA 2520 165 grain Remington 2526 consistent</div>
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42 X 748 165 grain
Remington 2571 good load</div>
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40 X IMR 4895 180 grain Remington 2379 mild</div>
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37 X 4064 180 grain
Remington 2261 slow</div>
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41 X 748 180 grain
Remington 2415 ok</div>
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42 X 748 180 grain
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39 X AA 2520 165 grain Sierra BT 2420 ok</div>
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36 X 4064 165 grain Sierra
BT 2405 slow</div>
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37 X 4064 180 grain Remington
rn 2252 slow</div>
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36 X 2520 180 grain Remington
rn 2156 slow </div>
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Accuracy with a good
gun is on par with any similar caliber. My gun shoots groups in the 1” area at
100 yards with good handloads. The 722 is the forerunner to the famous model
700 having many of the same features. It is a Plain Jane model with no frills
or checkering on the wood. However the 722 was a great value in its day, giving
good service at a low price. In 1950 the Remington 722 sold for $74.95 while
the model 70 went for $110. Accuracy and
strength were two of its strong suits. Back in the day when the 721 and 722’s
were being made dollars were tight so a good quality rifle at a low price made
sense. Still does today. Like most of the oldies I don’t spend time looking for
factory ammo as it is no longer common. If I stumble across it fine if not that
is also fine. Factory ammo might be found at gun shows if you really want
it. If you have one then you have a great
deer and black bear rifle. I do have a pump but it lacks camming power if you
have a stubborn round in the chamber. It is however a light and handy rifle for
the woods hunter. If you like pump rifles this would be a great choice. It
comes up well and points nice. The nice thing about the 300 is you would seldom
need high priced premium bullets as the velocities aren’t blistering such as
the 300 mags are. Of course you can use them for larger game such as elk to
good effect. Given the proper skill level and ammo you should be able to tag a
deer at 300 yards or so but as always shots need to be properly placed. Keep in
mind that most game is harvested within 200 yards. It seems that everyone today has magnum
mania, especially the new short mags. While they perform as billed you hardly
need one to shoot a deer at 100 yards. The most hunted game in the <st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place> is
the whitetail deer and the 300 Savage is up to the task at any reasonable
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For hunting purposes
the 300 Savage will do anything that the 308 will do given good loads. That
means that deer and black bear are fair game. Larger game at moderate ranges
will also fall to the 300 with proper bullets and shot placement. Due to its modest case capacity reduced loads
are a cinch to work up for small game and pest hunting. Cast bullet loads can
be used for small game to good effect without destroying excess meat. Bullets
heavier then 180 grains can be used but velocity will drop off rather rapidly
due to limited case capacity. There just isn’t much use for real heavy bullets
in that chambering as anything up to 180 grains will do just fine. Recoil is entirely within reason for anyone
with any experience shooting hunting rifles. A youngster with some tolerance to
recoil will not have any difficulty handling it. Also it can be loaded down to
30-30 levels and still be an effective deer rifle. All in all if you have a 300 Savage or
inherit one it is very worthwhile to get it shooting and take it hunting. </div>
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Using the new Hodgdon
LEVERevolution powder and Hornady FTX bullets you can make your lever action
more modern and versatile. Hornady loads factory ammo with these bullets in
these and other calibers which is good news for the non reloader. </div>
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30-30 Loads Do not
exceed</div>
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37 X Lever
150 grain Barnes TSX
2385
nice</div>
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36.5 X lever
165 grain Hornady FTX 2335 consistent</div>
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35 X Lever
180 grain RN
2144
good load</div>
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303 Savage Loads Do
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38.5 X Lever 165 grain Hornady FTX 2447 consistent</div>
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36 X Lever
180 grain RN
2220 nice</div>
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30 Remington Do not
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38 X Lever
165 grain Hornady FTX
2504
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With the new powder and bullets here is a difference in
trajectory between a 150 grain bullet and a 165 grain FTX. Most experienced
hunters maintain that you need 1,000 Ft Lbs of energy to cleanly harvest a
deer. As you can see the 150 grain peters out at 150 yards while the FTX carries
out to 300 yards. This shows you that you might have your grandfather’s rifle
but not his ballistics. </div>
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150 grain rn
velocity/energy</div>
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Muzzle
2390/1902 100 yards 1959/1278 200 yards 1581/832</div>
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Muzzle 2400/2046 100 yards
2150/1636 200 yards
1916/1309 300 yards 1699/1025 </div>
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Another good 30
caliber that has been obsolete for years is the 30-40 Krag. It originally came
out as a military round, replacing the 45-70. Very soon after that sporting
rifle makers saw the potential as a hunting round and started introducing
hunting rifles for that round. In fact it came out before the 30-30 by some
months. The <st1:city w:st="on">Winchester</st1:city>
high wall came out in 1893 for the Krag round. The case is a rimmed bottleneck
type which was typical of the day. It also has some taper which was believed to
aid in extraction of fired rounds. The
military introduced it in the Krag rifle design that originated in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Norway</st1:country-region> and was modified by the <st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region> for the Krag
round. The design limited the Krag round in power because it only has one
locking lug which keeps pressures down to about 40,000 PSI. Even at that the
30-40 has proven to be a good hunting round. Another unusual feature is the
side loading magazine which flips out and you can drop the rounds in it. The
original load was a 220 grain round nose at 2,000 FPS which would limit its
long range potential. In fact during the Spanish American War the Krag round
came up short as opposed to the 7 X 57 used by the Spanish. Their rifle out
ranged ours which caused us to look at better options for the future. That
eventfully led to the 30-06 being created which is probably the greatest round
ever conceived. As a note the Norwegian
version was chambered for the 8 X 58 R which in some loadings can exceed the
30-06. Also their version of the Krag rifle is stronger then the American
version due to its locking lugs system.</div>
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The Krag round and
rifle were declared obsolete in 1903 with the adoption of the 30-03 round and
the 03 <st1:city w:st="on">Springfield</st1:city>
rifle. However the rifle and round make a great hunting combo and there are
rifles available if you look around some. An original will fetch a premium
price but a modified one will go for less. I have found that these rifles are
capable of good accuracy and possess one of the smoothest actions in existence.
Many of them prefer a round nose bullet for reliable feeding which is no
problem if you are hunting in the woods as ranges seldom exceed 100 yards. A
pointed bullet has an advantage at longer ranges but most people who hunt with a
Krag are after white tail deer or black bear. Both species are commonly
harvested at ranges under 100 yards. </div>
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Here are some of my
favorite loads for the Krag. Do not exceed them in a Krag rifle.</div>
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Large rifle standard primers were used in all loads. Standard
308 diameter bullets were used which are very common.</div>
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5 X Red Dot 87 grain lead wc 1171 pest load</div>
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10 X Red Dot 100 grain plinker 1622 accurate</div>
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20 X Herco 125 grain Sierra 2062 varmint</div>
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41 X 3031 150 grain Hornady 2469 deer</div>
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10 X Unique 165 grain cast 1405 consistent</div>
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10 X Trail Boss 165 grain cast 1224 ok </div>
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38 X 209 165 grain cast 1972 consistent</div>
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39 X 3031 170 grain
Sierra 2320 accurate</div>
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12 X Unique 173 grain cast 1122 accurate</div>
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42 X 4320 180 grain Hornady
rn 2350 good load</div>
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40 X 748 180 grain Hornady
rn 2184 ok </div>
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42 X IMR 4350 220 grain Sierra 2003 consistent</div>
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Ammo for the old
timer can still be found though it may take a little searching. For the
reloader cases and suitable bullets are plentiful. While spitzers can be made
to work I generally use a round nose bullet of 180 to 220 grains unless I am
testing a specific bullet for some special purpose. Like the other cartridges discussed
cast bullets shoot very well in these rifles. They make excellent small game
and pest loads. If you load for this rifle caution must be employed as they are
over 100 years old and are not as strong as a more modern design. Like any
other antique gun it is never a bad idea to have a gunsmith check it out for
soundness. In a more modern gun such as a Ruger # 1 the Krag round can be
loaded to it’s potential which would approach a 30-06 in power though such
loads should never be fired in a Krag. There is no reason to destroy a fine
rifle merely to get more velocity then needed.</div>
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Like many things in
life newer doesn't necessarily mean better. These old guns still give good
service in spite of being obsolete sometimes for many years. If you have a
chance to use any of these great guns by all means do it.</div>
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<o:p> Old rolling block rifle </o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Freedom Arms 22/327<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Freedom Arms has been making high quality
revolvers for a number of years. They are known for their strength and tight
tolerances. They are chambered for a
verity of rounds up to the 454 Casull. I
own a 454 and it is a work of art in regards to it mechanical features. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> Recently they brought out a 22 centerfire
based on a 327 Federal case necked down. There are a few real bad ideas out there and
this has to rank right along with the worst. You have a $2500.00 gun that
shoots a bottleneck 22 based on a 327 Federal case necked down. That in itself
is a job and with some brands case loss is high. In addition, they have to be
trimmed and sized. Due to the tight dimensions they have to be perfect in order
to fit. No one at this time makes factory ammo or formed cases so you are on
your own there. That may not change. I don’t anticipate that sales will
increase especially in view of the fact that there is no factory ammo
available. An interesting chambering might be the 22 Velo Dog round. It is an
obsolete round that was used over 100 years ago in a small double action
revolver. Bicyclists carried it to protect themselves from roaming dogs. Just
imagine today someone making a handgun specifically to shoot dogs. It was very
underpowered and would more likely injure then kill a dog. Today
you would make cases out of 22 Hornet brass which requires a lot of work. If
someone made the cases, reloading it would be pretty routine. It looks almost
like a 22 RF mag except it is a centerfire. If you had good brass you could get
some good loads because the gun is strong enough to exploit all of the
potential of the Velo Dog round. In addition, it may not back out as the 22-327
does. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> I fired the light loads and as with most
revolvers chambered for bottleneck cases they backed out and jammed. I tried a verity of powders and loads but
most backed out tying up the gun. Even light loads caused that problem. Due to
time constraints, I couldn’t do more research and this load listed works well
so I will stick with it. I feel that with more time and perhaps a different gun
I could have worked up better loads. It is accurate however. Also due to tight tolerances,
cases have to be perfectly trimmed and sized which led to another problem. I
had some cases separate which is usually due to excess headspace. I will back
off the sizing die a tiny bit to see if that helps. I have worked with Federal
and Starline cases and Starline is better suited for this task as the loss with
Federals was very high when sizing down.
In addition, some of the 45 gr hollow points would not chamber probably
due to the ogive so will stick with the Hornady 40 grain. I tried 4 grains of Trail Boss and a 40 grain
Hornady bullet and it worked pretty well. So that and 4227 seem to be the two
best powders I have tried. Without a doubt there are other combinations that
will work but I don’t have unlimited access to the gun. I have figured out how
to make the cases fit and fire which was a challenge. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> The gun is a quality product which you would
expect from Freedom Arms. Accuracy is very good and with the light recoil it is
easy and fun to shoot. The trigger and sights are nice but I would not buy In
my view it is more costly then what it gives. If you want an expensive toy then
this might just be the item you need. it
One thing that may make it more attractive is to offer rimfire cylinders in 22
LR and 22 mag. That would add to the cost but at least you would be able to
shoot it more. Possible in their single shot as it would make
a nice pest round somewhere in the neighborhood of a 22 Hornet load. That is why
they make different types of guns. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;">12 grains
4227 40 grain Hornady 2150 high es<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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4227 45 gr RN HP Rem 2157 high es<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 115%;"> I didn’t have an opportunity to try cast
bullets but they may be a viable option. If I paid $2500.00 for such a gun I would want as much
flexibility as possible. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Military rifles are very accurate with the proper bullets<br />
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Everyone likes
their rifles to be accurate and if it is then we are happy. However I submit
that sometimes accuracy is overrated as compared to other factors. Accuracy
is the ability to hit what you are aiming at if you do your part. That can be
hitting a gallon can at 50 yards or a woodchuck at 500 yards. If your gun can
hit the required target at the desired ranges then it is accurate enough for
the task at hand. In hunting accuracy isn’t everything. There are other
important factors such as bullet performance. A well designed bullet is much
more desirable for hunting then a gilt edge target bullet. Many target bullets
while super accurate perform poorly on game. Some hollow points fold over when
they hit an animal making them act like a solid which is frequently a bad idea.
The Nosler Partitions had a reputation of not being as accurate as some of the
other brands but they got the job done. I had the same experience but accuracy
wasn’t that bad. Since then accuracy has improved. Some years ago I had an
opportunity to work with a 270 Weatherby Magnum. The client was planning a bear
hunting trip to Canada and wanted a bullet sturdy enough for the task at hand. Back then there were not a lot of premium
options like today. I settled on a Nosler Partition weighing 160 grains. The
rifle has a lot of freebore, which was common at that time. In theory, it
allowed a heavier powder charge hence increasing the velocity. The problem is
it has a negative effect on accuracy. Likewise, the Nosler wasn’t known for
accuracy either. In spite of playing around with loads and seating, the best
groups at 50 yards were 2” but 3” was more typical with a 3 shot group. The
client was somewhat concerned but since shots would be on this side of 50 yards,
he went with it. In the end, he tagged a nice bear at a distance of about 35
yards. While accuracy would seem dismal by most standards, it was good enough
to do the job. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Old ammo can produce poor accuracy especially if the powder turned bad <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"> If you are hunting
in the brush or woods for game such as a moose or grizzly bear your shots
probably won’t be over 50 yards maybe a hundred at the most. With those animals
you need a hard hitting rifle with a quality bullet for best results. A 45-70
with a well-constructed bullet weighing 400 grains that group 3” at 100 yards
is all you need for accuracy purposes. With that type of hunting you will
probably be standing or at best have a haphazard rest, so gilt edge accuracy
isn’t necessary. You might even be shooting at a moving target. You need a
combo that will place a sturdy bullet into the boiler room, breaking bones
along the way if necessary. You want to do your hunting before you shoot not
after. Some of the new lead free bullets made by Barnes and Hornady might be an
option worth exploring. I have loaded some of the LBT type of bullets for
customers in the 45-70 and 444 Marlin. The 444 weighed in at 325 while the
45-70 checked in at 400 grains and they both bagged fine grizzlies. <o:p></o:p></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;">Home made bullets for the 9.4 Dutch are accurate in guns tried</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"> If you are hunting
deer at a couple hundred yards or so then you would need a different type of
rifle. Something that shoots flatter and can shoot a 3 shot group at 100 yards
of an inch or so. If it is more accurate fine but don’t get hung up on that.
You need a good hunting bullet with good flight characteristics rather then a
super accurate target bullet. The bullet has to perform on the animal to obtain
a clean kill. It has to have the ability to get into the boiler room and do
some significant damage in order to insure a clean kill. A bullet that blows up
on the hide without penetrating is useless. As with all hunting the first
shot is the most important and it’s our moral obligation to humanely dispatch
any animal that we shoot. If you mess that up there is a good chance that the
hunt will go south quickly. If you hit it badly or miss it the animal isn’t
going to stick around for you to target practice on it. Therefore, when you
shoot your groups be sure to carefully observe where the first shot from a cold
barrel goes. Keeping the barrel oil free helps keep the first shot closer to
the rest of the group as oil can throw off the first shot by quite a bit.<o:p></o:p></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Over the years
shotgun slugs have greatly improved in performance. The old pumpkin ball was
good out to 50 yards or so before accuracy deteriorated too much. Slugs such as
the Breneke and Actives extended that range out to about 100 yards in good
guns. They were all smooth bores but with an open or modified choke and a scope
3 to 5” groups were possible at 100 yards. Then came rifled barrels and modern
projectiles which changed everything. One outstanding example is the Lightfield
brand of slugs www.lightfieldslugs.com. Not only are they exceptionally
accurate in a rifled barrel but the various loads hit to the same point of
impact. The importance of that is a shooter that is more recoil shy can shoot a
lighter load while the heavier load can also be utilized without changing the
scope setting. My son has a Remington 870 with a rifled barrel. With a scope at
80 yards we can get 3-4” groups which doesn’t put in in the tack driver
category but he bagged a nice black bear in Canada at 60 yards. We were using a
handload I developed using Blue Dot powder with a velocity of 1700 FPS. No they
were not much fun to shoot off the bench.
I am not aware of any other slug
that can do that though there are other accurate slugs out there. I have shot
the Remington slug with good accuracy results also. With the increased velocity
and accuracy of modern slugs ranges of 175 yards and more are possible given
hunter skill. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"> Shooting varmints
at long range does require serious accuracy. Most of the time you will be using
a small caliber high velocity rifle capable of shooting bullets up to 4000 feet
per second or so. A groundhog at 400 yards is a very small target. A rifle the
shoots 5 shots into a half inch or less at 100 yards is needed. Groundhogs are
relatively small but need to be hit well with an explosive bullet in order to
anchor them reliably. As with all animals they deserve a quick and painless
death. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Home made bullet is accurate and effective<br />
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<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt;"> When you read about handguns used for self
defense one of the more prominent features mentioned is accuracy at 25 yards.
If it doesn’t shoot a 2 or 2 &1/2” group then it is considered substandard.
While that type of accuracy is nice there are more important features to be
considered in a social handgun. First of all it must be 100% reliable at all
times. Anything less makes it a target gun or paperweight. It also needs the
ability to digest good working ammo that is useful for self-defense. Other features more important then gild edge
accuracy is ease of use such as a good trigger, comfortable grips and decent
sights. It needs to have the ability to get into action quickly and have a
round with enough power to do the job. If the weapon meets all of that criteria
then you can worry about 2” groups. Keep in mind that few people can shoot that
well especially under duress. </span><br />
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<div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-66508847715383779622015-07-05T13:17:00.001-07:002015-07-05T13:17:15.893-07:00Loading Blackhorn 209 in Bottleneck Cases<br />
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In the past, I have
used this propellant in applications that it wasn’t designed for. It is a type
of black powder substitute for some but not all black powder weapons. Since it
is hard to ignite cap & ball guns and 209 don’t mix. Also small cartridges
especially with light bullets perform poorly with 209. Most blanks do better
with other propellants. With the insanity going on many smokeless powders are
difficult to get. I have walked into a few gun stores and saw bare shelves
where the powder usually resided. With
that thought in mind, 209 can be looked at as an all around powder. While it
isn’t perfect it will work in a broader range of guns then anything else I have
tried. In a pinch perfection isn’t what we are looking for but a chance for
survival. With the broad spectrum of calibers I have worked with this is the
closest to the perfect all around propellant. Real small rounds such as the 25
and 32 ACP sizes it won’t do very well and may not work at all. <o:p></o:p></div>
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I have used it with
success on such diverse rounds as a 12 gauge and 45 auto. We have shot quail
with this powder and it functioned a Benelli semi auto. Shooting a 1 oz. slug
209 works fine producing about 1,000 FPS which would be perfect for home
defense. Therefore, to explore other possibilities the idea of modern
bottleneck rifle rounds occurred to me. Why not try it in such offerings as a
22-250, 243 and 30-06. The 30-30 and other similar common rounds would be a
good testing ground. The idea is to
develop a load powerful enough to be useful at closer ranges that you might
need in a pinch. Of course, velocity will be less then a standard load but if
it is accurate enough at 25 to 50 yards with decent velocity then we can
consider it useful. Some of these loads should work well at a hundred yards and
perhaps a bit beyond. At the time of this writing powder is extremely
difficult to get anywhere and some private sellers are selling it online for
two or three times the going price. Unfortunately there are sleaze bags taking
advantage of the situation. For your information,
I checked with a couple of distributors to see what powders of any kind are
available. With smokeless powders, over 95% are not available while black
powder and substitutes including 209 are almost 100 % available. In honesty the
209 is more expensive then the other brands since it is tubular and hollow it
is more difficult to make. That should
give those who reload something to think about though for an emergency cost
isn’t a factor. You do use less 209
because it such a low density which will
help with cost for the economically minded folks. In a real pinch you can use black powder and
Pyrodex in rifles but keep in mind that they are corrosive and you velocity
will drop even more. I have done this and for emergency purposes, it will do.
In small bore guns the barrel will be fouled up after a few shots something to
keep in mind. Use compressed loads in all of the rounds used. <o:p></o:p><br />
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It is a very low-density
powder so compressed loads will be the order of the day. In fact, the jug that
I received is the standard size for 8 LBS but only 5 will fit in there. I hope
that the powder situation will improve but one should be prepared and learning
to use alternate powders is one way to improve the ammo situation. Most of the
stand byes will not work as well but will do in a pinch. For instance you can
use small amounts of pistol powder in a rifle. You will lose much of your
velocity but at closer ranges it may do ok. You just have to be careful not to
use too much as that may cause dangerous pressure spikes. For example, you can
use a small amount of Unique in a 30-06. You will get some useful velocity and
accuracy. In fact, with cast bullets it is an excellent choice. Blackhorn 209
is meant as a high performance propellant for certain muzzle loading arms
mainly inlines. It is somewhat difficult to ignite so conventional cap locks
and flintlocks won’t work well with it. Surprisingly it meters pretty well in
my powder measure considering the size of the grains. Real small capacity
rounds don’t do very well with it as velocity is low but for larger cases it works
well. I have been successful on making in work and function in a 45 ACP and a
12 ga semi auto. My loads in the shotgun have been good enough to harvest
quail. I see some promising possibilities in using it for modern bottle neck
cases. Like all black powder and their substitutes, it is recommended not to
have airspace between the bullet and powder so all of my loads will be
compressed. In addition, the idea is to see how much velocity we can safely get
out of this propellant. Accuracy is also a consideration along with function in
a semi auto. The 30-06 produces enough
velocity with a hunting bullet to make it useful. It is in the same area as a
30-30 load which will enable game to be harvested at 100 yards or so. Of course
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that 209 should be tried in it. With the small case, I don’t expect a lot but
am going to try some heavy 75 to 80 grain bullets. With the 55 grain bullets
they ejected but the bolt didn’t always come back far enough to pick up another
round. The heavier bullets worked perfectly. The rifle used was a mag change
model which is capable of utilizing four different calibers. Barrel was 16” and
the velocity while lower then standard 223 would none the less be useful for
some work. With the 77 grain bullet a fast twist would be required to stabilize
it. With the mild velocities encountered, most cup and core bullets should work
ok for most situations. That is one of the advantages of these loads is standard
cup and core bullets will produce good results. They will not come unglued as
possible with high velocity loads. Thin-jacketed varmint bullets should be
excellent defense ammo. Your ES and SD are a result of the compatibility of the
powder and bullet. I am working on a piece explaining that in detail. <o:p></o:p></div>
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21 grains 55 grain FMJ 2110
es 110 <o:p></o:p></div>
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20 grains 77 grain Horn
HP 1863
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The 22-250 is fairly
common and since it has more capacity then a 223 the heavy bullets might work
fairly well. Like all of the rounds, being tested results will be similar in
similar cases such as the 220 Swift. The 100 grain is an unusually heavy bullet
for a 22 and you would need a barrel with a fast twist to stabilize it. The velocities displayed by the 22-250 would
be useful for deer given good bullet placement and a twist fast enough to
stabilize a 100 grain bullet. The 100
grain has a high sectional density hence it should have a lot of penetration. <o:p></o:p></div>
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30 grains 55 grain FMJ 2829 ok<o:p></o:p></div>
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27 grains 100 grain 2204
nice <o:p></o:p></div>
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Another round that is
common is the 243. I am trying a heavily compressed load with a 100 grain flat
base bullet. Like all of the other rifles tested though some velocity is lost
it will still harvest a deer sized animal at moderate ranges. A 100 grain
bullet in the 243 has decent sectional density which would enable it to provide
adequate penetration. Since the velocity is fairly low bullet shape and jacket
thickness are not as important as it is in higher velocity loads. Round nose
bullets would work great since they have a propensity to expand at lower
velocities and give adequate penetration. This will be true in any of the
calibers tested. <o:p></o:p></div>
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38 grains 100 grain Trophy
Bond 2440
consistent <o:p></o:p></div>
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The 270 Winchester
has been around for many years and is common and well known so it would be
appropriate to list a couple of loads for it. For some reason the 130 grain
load wasn’t consistent which goes against most of the other loads tested in the
270 and the other rifles. Typically most of the loads were consistent. The nice thing is since the pressure is low
top grade cases are not necessary. I used brass that was fired several times
and it performed well. I just did the routine checks which included checking
for splits and case length. <o:p></o:p></div>
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BULLET
VELOCITY
COMMENT<o:p></o:p></div>
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45 grains 130 grain Speer
Grand Slam 2249
high ES<o:p></o:p></div>
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42 grains 150 grain
Hornady SST BT 2265 <br />
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The 7 mm -08 started
out as a wildcat but was later adopted. It is a 308 necked down with no other
changes. It is a good hunting round giving good ballistics with very moderate
recoil. Bullets from 100 to 175 grains are usable and anyone who makes ammo
does the 08. There is a good selection of lightweight rifles available many at
inexpensive prices. This is just another example of a rifle that can be useful
with 209. Those velocities are enough to harvest a deer at closer ranges or it
is very adequate for home defense. If you use a cartridge similar to the listed
ones results will be similar. A 260 Remington would give results similar to the
7 mm 08 given similar bullet weight and sectional density and barrel length<o:p></o:p></div>
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LOAD BULLET
VELOCITY
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37 grains 140 grain Sierra
BT 2132 fair<o:p></o:p></div>
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36 grains 175 grain Hornady 1966 very
consistent <o:p></o:p></div>
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The 7 mm Remington
magnum has been around for over 50 years and is justly popular so it would make
sense to try some 209 in it. The
velocity obtained with the 139 would be similar to a 7 X 57 or 7 mm 08 with
standard loads. <o:p></o:p></div>
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BULLET
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59 grains 139 grain
flat base 2665
consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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The 30-40 Krag has
been around for over 120 years and there are still a fairly decent number of
rifles still in use. I used a cast bullet in this test but a jacketed one can
be substituted.<o:p></o:p></div>
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38 grains
165 grain cast 1568
nice<o:p></o:p></div>
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Since the 308 is
universally used it will be included in this test. I used a Springfield Armory
SAR 4800 to see how it would feed and cycle this ammo. I shot 150’s and 165’s
and except for the first two shots cycling was perfect. <o:p></o:p></div>
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LOAD
BULLET
VELOCITY
COMMENT<o:p></o:p></div>
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36.5 grains 150 grain FMJ 1907 consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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36 165
grain Hornady Interlock 1930 high es <o:p></o:p><br />
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30-06 case full 209 takes up a lot of space<br />
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30-06 Loads all using
Blackhorn 209. I used military cases because since they are older and don’t possess
the quality of newer cases if a problem crops up it may show more readily with
these pieces of brass. Bullets used will be the plain cup & core because
hi-tec bullets will not give any advantage because of the lower velocities
encountered. Also long tapered boat-tail
bullets will take up more space so cutting down on the powder charge, reducing
the velocity. With that thought the more blunt and short the bullet the
better. After tapping down powder level was ½ the way
up the neck for both the 165 and 180 grain slugs. While I am not going to use a
lot of cast bullets a couple might be instructive in a couple of ways.
Velocities are similar to full power 30-30 loads so would be useful for the
same type of hunting. There is a school of thought that a lot of power is
needed for deer size animals. I would say that if you have a bullet of some
weight and velocity and possess some hunting skill your hunting will be successful.
A little research reveals that a lot of large game has been harvested with
lower power rifles and cast bullets and that formula still works. Naturally the
long range shots will be ruled out but most big game is shot within 200 yards
many much less. At woods ranges, I would feel comfortable hunting with many of
these loads. Since these loads are
relatively sedate round nose bullets may be more desirable. They would be more
likely to open up at low velocities and this would apply to all of the calibers.
The 30-30 style flat nose would be ideal as a bullet with a high ballistic
coefficient would have no advantage at these velocities and ranges. <o:p></o:p></div>
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48 grains
150 grain Privi FMJ (Garand) 2198 fed ok<o:p></o:p></div>
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48 grains
150 grain Privi (bolt rifle) 2314 consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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44 grains
165 grain Hornady flat base 2204 decent<o:p></o:p></div>
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44 grains
165 grain Hornady flat base 2198 (
Garand ) fed fine<o:p></o:p></div>
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44 grains
165 grain cast FP 2182 high es<o:p></o:p></div>
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44 grains
180 grain Remington Core Loc 2137 nice load<o:p></o:p></div>
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44 grains
200 grain Speer flat base 2052 nice<o:p></o:p><br />
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Blackhorn burns dirty and is mildey corrosive<br />
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The 30-30 has been
around for about 120 years and is very common and it works ok with 209. The
velocity isn’t very fast by today’s standards but in a pinch will do ok at
close range. You are giving up 5-600 FPS with the 209 but it beats throwing the
bullet. <o:p></o:p></div>
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BULLET VELOCITY COMMENT<o:p></o:p></div>
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25 grains 165 grain cast 1606 consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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25 grains 165 grain
spitzer 1565 ok <o:p></o:p></div>
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The 300 Winchester
mag has been around for over 50 years and is one of the most popular magnum
rounds and is well distributed. With that thought in mind some load data with
209 would be useful in an emergency. Heavier bullets should be impressive in this
caliber. This load is in the area of a
full power 308 which would make it quite a good hunting load. <o:p></o:p></div>
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62 grains 180 grain 2469 nice<o:p></o:p></div>
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The 303 is another
common military rifle with many still in use. Like the Krag I used a cast
bullet with good results. <o:p></o:p></div>
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VELOCITY
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33 grains 165 grain cast GC 1869 very
consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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Another oldie is the 32-40 Winchester. It is on the small
side for deer but with a 170 grain flat nose enough velocity is produced to
make a fairly decent close range hunting load. <o:p></o:p></div>
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23 grains 170 grain Hornady 1541 accurate<o:p></o:p></div>
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I have a good feel
for this powder and the larger the case the more power you can get. I have worked
with a lot of obsolete rounds such as the 11 X 60 Gras and the 43 Spanish. The
ballistics are impressive for these old
rounds. It works ok in a 45-70 but in a 45-120 it is a beast. With a 500 grain
bullet I obtained over 1700 FPS and more then a little recoil. I never had any
loads that produced excess pressure but I imagine if you took a 378 Weatherby
case and necked it down to a 22 pressures might be too high. I have no
intentions of trying that out. I have
used it in small cases such as a 9.4 Dutch and while it works ballistics are
rather pedestrian. <br />
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270 win with 209<br />
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<div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-22607851791377631642014-06-24T10:32:00.000-07:002014-06-24T10:32:29.189-07:00The 460 Smith & Wesson
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">The 460 with a Leupold scope makes a great hunting combo</span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Smith & Wesson<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A few years ago, Smith & Wesson decided to
make the most powerful revolvers in general production. The .500 was introduced
at the SHOT show in 2004 while the .460 came out a year later.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>With the .500 S & W they succeeded quite
well as it has more muzzle energy then any other revolver with energies going
up to 2800 foot LBS or so. They went on to produce the fastest production
revolver. Again they succeeded by introducing the .460 with a 200 grain bullet
rated at 2300 FPS , producing 2350 FT LBS. of energy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Through necessity, these are massive
revolvers weighing at 5 Lbs. plus empty. With this much power recoil is a major
factor and the revolver’s weight will mitigate it to an extent. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The muzzle breaks also help but these guns are
not for the faint at heart. When you shoot these guns, the muzzle blast will
feel like someone is shoving you. They are specialized guns meant for serious
big game hunting. At that, they excel regardless of what you are hunting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
gun is attractive being made from Stainless steel and isn’t blued. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The question that begs to be answered<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>is why would you buy such a powerful and
specialized revolver?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some people want
the most powerful and fastest regardless if it is a car that can do 250 MPH or
a super powered revolver. The .500 can generate as much muzzle energy as a
30-06 with a top load.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I know a guy that
had one with a 4” barrel and no muzzle break. At his request I made some heavy
loads utilizing a 400 grain bullet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He offered to let me try it, an invitation I
declined. Anyway he shot it twice and sold it. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I shot a 10” with a break and scope and while
it is manageable, it is quite a handful. The redeeming feature was we were
shooting 275 grain bullets which helped to reduce recoil. Accuracy at 100 yards
was quite impressive. For the recoil junkie Hornady offers a 500 grain bullet
and load. If that isn’t enough one company offers a 700 grain bullet rated at
1250 FPS.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No way no how I would shoot
that load, except in a rifle. Self inflicted pain has no fascination for me. The
reader might notice that recoil is frequently mentioned and that is for a
reason. I fail to see the logic in buying a firearm that can’t be handled by
the owner.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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Muzzle break really needed cleaning after shooting black powder<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Of the two,
the .460 is more versatile. Besides the .460 ammo, you can shoot the .45
Schofield, .45 Colt, and the .454 Casull. Also there is a wider selection of 45
caliber bullets then the larger 50’s. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>With the two smaller cases you can use
conventional jacketed or cast bullets at the velocities that they produce.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Do not use thin jacketed bullets with the .454
or .460 cases.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Doing that can strip the
jacket off and leave it in the bore which may cause a problem with the next
round. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Several companies make the proper
bullets for the .460 and I would suggest you use them. Companies such as
Hornady and Barnes makes jacketed or solid copper slugs while LBT makes cast
bullets up to 395 grains. They are cast hard with a gas check and are well
suited to the pressures involved. Keep in mind the .460 is set up to operate at
60,000 PSI, which is in the range of magnum rifles. Those specs require that
the guns are made out of the best steel available in order to stand up to that
abuse. Tolerances must be kept tight also to enhance the longevity and safety
of this revolver. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The S & W is up to
the task as we have fired it quite a lot with no malfunctions due to the gun.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The 460 requires a large rifle primer because
of the pressures and large amounts of magnum handgun powder involved. A magnum
rifle primer isn’t generally necessary though in real cold weather I would
consider one. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The gun is a double action type though the
single is a lot more practical. The trigger is great breaking at 2 & 3/4 <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>lbs. single action. The double action trigger
is ok though I don’t see much use for it. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>With a scope and ammo the gun can weigh close
to 6 Lbs. which makes it difficult to hold offhand for most shooters including
myself. There is a bipod available as well as a sling. They would make sense if
a rest isn’t available. Out in the field a bipod would enable you to take
advantage of the 200 yard potential that this gun offers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hornady advertises their 200 grain load as
being point on at 200 yards. With the velocity obtainable and the pointed
bullet, that claim is creditable. I have tested Hornady ammo in quite a few
calibers and it performs as billed in virtually all instances. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The gun that we tested has an 8 & 3/8”
barrel though other lengths are available. Shooting from a rest with the 200
grain Hornady wasn’t too bad as recoil goes straight back but the muzzle blast
can be only described as intense. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Even
standing behind a shooter you can feel the blast. This gun definitely isn’t for
the faint at heart.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are two muzzle breaks one for lead while
the other covers jacketed slugs. There is a hunting holster and speed loaders
offered for the .460. That way you can carry it on a hiking trip and be ready
for anything. </span></span></div>
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Couple of nice heavy hunting bullets 300 grain cast & Sierra<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The proof is in the pudding as to how powerful
the loads really are. We have a verity of factory loads plus some handloads we
chronographed and tested for accuracy. We also fired ammo with shorter cases
including the .45 Schofield, .45 Colt, and the .454 Casull. That is what I mean
by versatility. Anyway, here are some chronograph results. During the testing,
I had my Freedom Arms 454 with a 10” barrel and chronographed many of the loads
in both. The Casull was anywhere from a little over 100 FPS to 250 FPS faster
then the Smith. It may have been partly due to the longer barrel and lack of
porting or the tighter tolerances of the Freedom Arms Revolver. Anyway it was
an interesting test. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Recoil was on the
brutal side with the heavy loads in both guns. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When you shoot a certain amount of the heavy,
loads your hand tends to start hurting which is a good time to stop. If you
don’t mind carrying around the weight the 460 is pretty versatile. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">5.3 <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>gr Tite Group<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 grain cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>768<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Schofield<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">5.7 <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>gr 231<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>230 gr Ranier<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>637<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Schofield<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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231<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 gr
Hornady XTP HP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>906<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">7 gr Tite
Group<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 gr cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>905<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt Load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">7 gr Tite
Group<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 gr Hornady
XTP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>868<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt Load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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HS-6<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>225 gr Hornady
FTX<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>918<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt Load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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HS-6<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 gr cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>940<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt load<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Federal<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>225 SWC HP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>897<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Federal<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>225 Gr FTX<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>851<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>325 gr LBT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1369<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45 Colt Load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>300 gr
LBT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1352<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45
Colt load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>260
gr JHP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1489<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.45
Colt load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>325 gr<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1531<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">25 gr
2400<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>300 grain
cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1352<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.
454 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Tap<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>400 Gr WEN-GC<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1280<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454
load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Double
Tap<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 Gr Barnes HP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1621<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454
load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Hornady<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>300 Gr XTP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1588<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454
load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Federal<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>300 Gr Swift A
Frame<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1551<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454
load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">33 gr <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2400<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>225 gr Hornady FTX<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1469<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454 load <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>325 gr LBT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1531<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>360 gr LBT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1450<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.454
load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Federal<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>300 Gr Swift A
Frame<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1582<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">49 gr of <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>H-110<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>225 Gr FTX<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1958<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460
load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Hornady<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>200 Gr FTX<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2158<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Hornady<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>200 gr FTX<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2106<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">43 gr Lil
gun<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>240 gr Hornady XTP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1666<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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BP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 grain cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>869.6<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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AA-5744<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>240 grain Hornady
XTP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1716<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>275 gr Barnes XPB<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1772<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460 load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Bore<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>300 gr JFN<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1581<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>.460
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Bore generously sent some loads in .45 Colt, .454 Casull, and the 460 S &
W. The .45 Colt and .454 Casull loads shot great giving the advertised velocity
and were consistent. The 460 loads however didn’t do as well. They were way
under advertised speeds with high SD’s. Also the cases stuck in the chambers
indicating high pressures. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My guess is
they used a powder that while suitable in the shorter cases is too fast for the
.460 especially with heavy bullets. At a later date, I plan on working with the
heavy LBT bullets and see if I can improve upon those loads. That is one test I
am in no hurry to conduct. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It isn’t on
my top 100 to do list of important projects. We shot some .45 Schofield with
cast bullets of 200 and 250 and mild loads. For some reason they keyholed,
perhaps <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>due to the long travel in the
cylinder. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We tried some Ranier bullets
and they shot ok so that theory went down the hole. Maybe it just didn’t like
those lead bullets. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Keep in mind that
plated bullets at full power loads won’t work in the .454 or 460. The boxes
generally specify max velocity consistent with accuracy and I suggest that you
follow the advice. I have shot them over the specs and they are not accurate at
all. Plated bullets however make nice .45 Colt loads.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That is why we try different bullets to see
what does and doesn’t work in a specific gun.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Just for kicks and info purposes, we tried some black powder loads in
the .460. As is usually the case with black powder, velocities are consistent
though after a dozen or so rounds it started to gum up and stopped functioning.
Of course the gun needed to be vigorously cleaned after shooting the black
powder and before we went back to the more conventional ammo. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The .460 was inconsistent with some of the loads,
as with such a large case any light loads with magnum powders didn’t fare so
well. With the big case it is better to use full throttle loads and use the
shorter cases for the reduced stuff.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Just
for fun we made some shot loads using 460 cases. The load was 12 grains of 231
and 250 grains of shot with a gas check on top. I cut a wad out of cardboard to
put between the powder and shot. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They
proved effective up to 7 yards, which would dispatch a snake. If you do this,
be sure to remove the compensator to avoid a lot of shot coming backwards.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We obtained some bulletproof glass that is an
inch thick and of course, we wanted to see what shot through it and what
didn’t. We tried two .460 loads a 225 grain Hornady XTP and a 300 grain Barnes.
Both shot through with no problems though when we put a second piece behind the
first both loads were stopped. We shot a .44 mag load which was a 240 grain
soft point and it didn’t go through but did dimple the back of it. We had some .45
Colt and 9 mm but neither came near to going through but did make nice marks on
the glass. My guess is if we had armor piercing bullets in the .460, it
probably would have gone through both plates.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Another
interesting thing came to light, The .460 recoiled backwards while the .454
went up. That was due to the S & W having a muzzle break where upon the .454
lacks that feature.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Trigger pull double action is 14 & ½ lbs.
while the single checks in at 2 & 2/4 lbs.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>and breaks cleanly. I don’t imagine that very many shooters can control
the .460 shooting double action. I, for one can’t. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you want a high quality revolver that is
capable of killing anything on two or four feet, this might just be the gun for
you. I would imagine that it would do well shooting silhouettes out to two or
300 meters. If you can handle the recoil and muzzle blast then you should have
a winner. A scope definitely gets the potential out of this massive revolver. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Be sure that it is</span></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"> a quality optic meant for
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Factory defect needs to be put in scrap<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Reloading by Feel<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are many
techniques discussed when talking about reloading ammo but I don’t see many
articles suggesting that feel is very important to successful ammo making. When
you are performing various tasks, you can’t see what is going on inside the die
so you have to depend on feel to determine how your ammo will come out. They
don’t make transparent dies yet so feeling your way around the processes in
vital. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Once you learn how to feel your
way around reloading ammo will be easier and more enjoyable. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Bullet caught edge of case should be felt during bullet seating<br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Normally after you
inspect and clean your brass sizing and decapping is your first operation.
Sizing brings the case neck to the correct size to hold a bullet while the body
is squeezed down a bit to enable chambering. Most dies decap the case also
meaning the old primer is removed. The operation involves some resistance which
depends on the size and brand of the case and the type of lubricant used. You
can buy tungsten dies for most handgun rounds and I would suggest that you
spring for the few extra bucks to buy them. They usually eliminate the need for
lube which saves time and the die last longer. There is also a small amount of
pressure required to remove the old primer as well. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Different bullets may have different feel<br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When you get set up
you will notice the resistance involved and it should be the same for all of
the cases. If it is too easy, you might have a split case or slipped in the
wrong one. If you have a difficult time sizing the case perhaps you forgot to
lube it in the instance of a rifle or handgun without using a tungsten die. If
you get an unlubed rifle case stuck in a die, you have a serious situation. You
will need a stuck case remover and some effort to remove it. Rifle cases need
to be lubed around the body in order to size them easily. Don’t put lube around
the shoulder area as that won’t help out plus will produce hydraulic dents on
the shoulders. If you have military cases, especially foreign made make sure
that the primers are of the boxer type. Make sure that there isn’t any foreign
substances in the case. Range brass might have a smaller case inside or have
some dirt in the brass. That is one reason why you should inspect the brass
prior to sizing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Trying to decap a Berdan type primer with a
conventional set up will result in the assembly getting bent and breaking the
decapping pin. That is an aggravation we can do without.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That
is where feel comes in handy to avoid those headaches.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some brands of cases are more difficult to
size then others due to the construction some being thicker then others. Therefore,
if you are mixing brands during sizing that might account for some of the
feeling difference. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Crimp die set too far down. operator should be able to feel this problem<br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After sizing, priming
is usually the next step. Seating a primer generates a little resistance which
is ordinary. If the primer is too easy to seat the pocket might be expanded
which usually results from shooting loads that are too hot. Once the pocket is expanded,
too much the case is not good for anything other then a display round. If the
primer is too hard to seat there may be a couple of reasons.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One is the pocket might have some residue
which can easily be cleaned out. Military cases frequently have a crimp in the
pocket which needs to be removed. I use a reamer for that task as I do a lot of
military cases for various projects. There is a primer pocket expander
available but I don’t care for it but it might be worth trying. I have run
across some brands of foreign cases that have pockets that are too small or
shallow to easily seat a primer. I either avoid them or slightly ream out the
pocket. If you use too much force to seat a primer some of the compound might
come out which will adversely affect the performance of the ammo.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Seating the bullet is
done by feel also. I always chamfer the inside of the case mouth which makes
seating easier and more consistent.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You
will have some feel, which is normal. If the bullet seats too easily you might
have a split neck. Another possibility is the brass is too thin. I have used
one brand of brass in the 8 X 57 caliber which has necks that are too thin and
the bullets aren’t tight enough. That will cause inconsistent ammo among other
problems including bullets dropping down in the cases. I size those necks in a
.318 die, which helps, but normally I will buy another brand of brass to avoid
that headache. Another cause might be bullets that are a tiny bit too small
which is not common but can happen. Occasionally an expander plug might be too
large causing loose fitting of the bullet. If they are too difficult, it might
be thick brass at the neck. That could be especially true if you necked down
the case from a larger caliber such as making 243’s from 308 cases. You would
have to either turn down the case necks or ream them out. Thick necks will
cause difficult chambering and possibly dangerous high pressures. Like every
other operation when seating bullets, they should all feel the same. Remember
you are dealing with dimensions that are in the .001 inch and that can make a
difference. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Primer on left was too tight and operator should be able to feel the difference<br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you are crimping
the bullets, there is also a feel there. Once you get use to using the feel
method the crimping can be felt and if there is a problem you will realize it.
The cases have to be the same length in order to have a consistent crimp. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If the
feel is consistent chances are the ammo will perform better as it will be more
consistent. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Learning the feel
method will help you out a great deal when loading ammo. Making good ammo has
its challenges so anything that you do to give you an edge is always good. Like
most things in life you get out of it what you put into it.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Chamfering makes it easier to seat a bullet<div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-69257329452057878012014-02-10T10:23:00.001-08:002014-02-10T10:23:28.551-08:00Weatherby Vanguard Gen ll in 22-250
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Vanguard in
22-250<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Over 40 years ago Weatherby realized that
there was a market for a lower price rifle then their famed Mark V series. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the Vanguard was introduced in 1970. While
the original Weatherby rifles were chambered for their cartridges, the Vanguard
is available in standard chamberings from the 204 to the 338 Win mag. I have
fired various Vanguards in 30-06 and 22-250 though I didn’t get much of a
chance to work with the 22 caliber due to a fire. The Vanguard is also
available in some Weatherby calibers such as the 257 , which I have also fired.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For more info of Weatherby products you
can go to<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span><a href="http://www.weatherby.com/"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.weatherby.com/</span></span></a><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The rifle I have is a Gen ll which has a
couple of improvements over the first model. I had an older 22-250 which shot
well but was too heavy and the trigger wasn’t as good as the newer model. A
30-06 I tested also was heavy though It did shoot quite well. Since the
Vanguard is available in the 338 Win Mag , which would require some weight, all
of their models and calibers reflected that. A lightweight gun is important to me,
as my wheels are not what they used to be. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>These are some loads that I have used in both
Vanguards. Super is short for Hodgdon Superperformance powder which is one of
the better powders for the 22-250. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">5 X Red
Dot<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>40 grain Speer<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1483<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>lite load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Unique<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>40 grain Speer<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2328<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>nice load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">12 X
Unique<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>40 grain Speer<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2603<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hornet Load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">14 X
Unique<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>40 grain Speer<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2858<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>accurate<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">20 X Blue
Dot<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>52 grain Sierra<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3132<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>good load <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">39.3 X H
380<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>52 grain Sierra<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3612<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>ok<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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4064<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>52 grain Sierra <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>BT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>3646<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>very accurate <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Dot<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>50 grain Speer<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3164<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>222 load <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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4895<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>50
grain Speer<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3711<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>good load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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4895<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>50 grain Speer<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3766<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>favorite load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Remington<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain factory<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3460<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>high es <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Unique<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain Speer fmj<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2261<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>accurate<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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844<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55
grain FMJ<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3546<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>good load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Super<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55
grain milt<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3763<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>consistent<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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grain Sierra HP BT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3933<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>great load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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grain Sierra SP BT<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3813<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>good load<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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4895<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain Sierra<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3685<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>accurate<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">41.5 X
760<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain Sierra<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3598<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>accurate<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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760<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain Sierra<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3601<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>mag primer<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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RL#11<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain Sierra<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3555<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>ok<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">8 X 231<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>58 grain cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1844<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>accurate<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">7 X 231<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>58 grain cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1629<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>ok<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Dot<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>63 grain Sierra<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2530<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>small game<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">Due to light recoil and good trigger a youngster has no problem shooting it</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>At my request, Weatherby sent me a second<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Vanguard in 22-250, which is my all-time
favorite 22 caliber centerfire caliber. It was originally a wildcat for many
years before Remington adopted it in 1965.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This caliber has everything going
for it with no drawbacks. It has the accuracy and flexibility to meet any need
that a 22 can fill. I have even loaded it down to 22 Hornet velocities with
good results. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It may not win bench rest
matches but ½” groups are very obtainable which makes it an excellent long
range varmint caliber. Weatherby came out with their own 22 centerfire known as
the 224 Weatherby. While a competent cartridge, it has a major drawback. The
case is belted and not based on anything else so it is expensive and hard to
get. If someone obtains a large amount of cases, it is reloadable which will
mitigate the problem to an extent. In any event the 22-250 is a superior choice
in every respect. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>These are a few loads
I used but each rifle will have its preferences so this is just a guideline. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>These are some further loads that were used in
the Gen ll rifle. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I do recommend this
rifle as it performed well and the price is reasonable. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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4895<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>50 grain Rem<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3678<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>high es<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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844<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>50 grain Rem<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3583<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>slow<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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4895<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain V Max<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3694<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>nice<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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4895<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain FMJ<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3695<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>consistent<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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414<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain V max<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3551<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>ok<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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414<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain FMJ <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3465<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>slow<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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748<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>55 grain FMJ<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3559<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>fair<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">As usual Hornady bullets shot well</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">My sample
has a two tone composite stock being gray and black. The 24” barrel is a matt
blue. The bolt has two large locking lugs and a typical extractor and ejector.
The extractor is a small claw type which the cases are ejected with a plunger
type found on many rifles. I have shot quite a bit of ammo in various Vanguards
and never had any problems with any of them. There are holes in the bolt body,
which should deflect gas away from the shooters face in the unlikely event of a
case rupture. You can feel safe shooting this firearm. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The trigger as it came from the factory is
nice and light and breaks cleanly which is a major aid in accurate shooting. It
is a two stage match type and can be adjusted down to 2 & ½ Lbs. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The magazine drops down with a button in the
trigger guard and is easy to use. The three position safety also works well. Is
my gun pretty? No, in fact it leans toward ugly but practical. If you get
caught in the rain or snow no big deal with this model. I have examined
Vanguards with wood stocks and nicely blued metal but they are more expensive
and no more practical. There are many models and options to choose from so
there is something for everyone. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
Vanguard series 2 has a MSRP starting at $599 and has an accuracy guarantee of
1” or less, using specified ammo. I have found on previous models that the
guarantee was always met or exceeded. This specimen is capable of ½” groups
with ammo that it likes. Weight is listed as 7 & ¼ Lbs., which seems
lighter then the other 22-250 I had.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For
me lightweight is important as my wheels are not that good any more. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Since the rifle has no sights I would like to
see it with a scope base installed. A set of Weaver type bases would only add a
couple of dollars to the cost and make it more convenient.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After all of this rifle<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I would recommend the Vanguard for anyone
looking for a good value. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I picked up my first 22-250 around 1970.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My uncle had it and I had a chance to take it
out hunting groundhogs. It was love at first sight. When I saw how well it
works on woodchucks I offered to buy and purchased his Remington 700 ADL.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I used it for some years for groundhog
hunting. It was very accurate and any chuck that was unlucky to be in range was
quickly dispatched. On a calm day any chuck that was within 300 yards was in
serious jeopardy. Shots past 300 yards was also quite reasonable as long as I
did my part.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The only weakness of a 22
at long range is the wind. Unlike drop wind isn’t as easy to figure out due to
the variations.- While during this period I also used everything from a 22
Hornet to a 220 Swift my love affair with the 22-250 remained steadfast. While
all of those 22 centerfires have a place I just thought that the 22-250 was the
best all around 22 and I haven’t seen anything to change my mind. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Since I am a handloader adjusting it power
from a 22 rimfire up to full power loads isn’t a major challenge. I have been
told that the 223 is better because a 1 in 7” twist is readily available which
puts it in the deer hunting category. While that would be true I am not a big
fan of deer hunting with any 22 though I would acknowledge that with the proper
bullet and shot placement it can be done. Also who is to say that a 1 in 7”
twist can’t be ordered in a 22-250 or any other 22 centerfire for that matter. The
22-250 would have the ability to push a heavy bullet about 400 FPS faster then
the smaller 223 which would make a big difference in down range performance. </span></span></div>
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Gen 1 shot well but was heavy<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>While I tried a lot of different types of
bullets my go to was a 50 grain Speer loaded to 37 to 3800 FPS. While not the
most accurate bullet it was close and since I did a lot of hunting on flat
ground ricochets were a consideration. This bullet simply came apart after
hitting just about any object so there was virtually no chance of a
ricochet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In addition, it anchored the
woodchucks very nicely. They are tough animals and if you don’t hit them right
with a good explosive bullet they will get into their hole and be lost. Like
any other animal hunted they deserve a quick and humane death.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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rifle. As with previous experience with their products, this scope performed to
perfection. Optics are crystal clear and this model is a great fit for the
caliber. Clear optics will help get the accuracy potential out of a rifle. For
my purposes a 9 X scope is plenty. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s
not overly large so you can carry it if desired. I used another Alpen scope on
a bear hunt last year and the light gathering properties were amazing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If someone wants a great hunting scope on
their rifle I would recommend you take a serious look at their products.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For more info you can go to </span></span><a href="http://www.alpenoptics.com/RifleScopes.html"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.alpenoptics.com/RifleScopes.html</span></span></a><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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A good combo. A Burris 3 X 9 X 40 on a Ruger model 77 in 243<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One of the well
known scope makers Burris sent me a Fullfield E which is a 3 X 9 40 mm
illuminated scope. This particular item is matte black, which I like. Shiny
scopes have no place in the hunting field as the glare can warn off your
potential trophy. It is relatively compact for its features making it handier.
There is a ballistic Plex E 1 and a chart to help you set the scope for the
optimum range you plan on shooting at. The chart can be helpful at extended
ranges that may occur in some hunting situations.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The owner’s manual comes in several languages,
is pretty detailed, and should answer most of the questions you may have. There
is a warranty on their products just by filling out the card and mailing.
Burris has quite a complete list of optical related products so a visit to
their website would be advisable.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There
are quite a few makers of fine scopes so for a company to stay in business they
have to produce a quality product and back it up with good customer service. My
experience with The Burris company indicates that they are serious about their
product’s quality and customer service. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Due to good optics (Burris scope) and an accurate rifle good groups are the norm<br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The model I received
was mounted on a Ruger model 77 in 243. This particular rifle is known for its accuracy,
which I wanted to be able to test the scope and not worry about accuracy
problems. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was interested in testing
the scope not the gun. The gun looks rough as it were singed in a fire but was
not harmed in any way. Our public range is a perfect place to test it as I can
go out to 300 yards, which is about all the distance I intend to shoot. Another
thing I wanted to do is test it with different lighting conditions and set at
different powers. The optics performed well at all the tested ranges and
lighting conditions, something I would expect from a quality scope. The clarity
and resolution was excellent at different ranges and lighting conditions. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Of course, it can be adjusted for short to
longer ranges as needed. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have taken it
out in the desert as I intend on some coyote hunting and I wanted to see how
the Burris would pick up various things and help out with the terrain. With
fast moving animals a good scope is vital to success.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The E1 Fullfield is a
3 X 9 X 40 and has a reticle that can be lit up in red. The brightness is
adjustable and if you move it from poor light to a brighter spot, the red light
goes out. That is a nice feature to save on the battery life. Also if you are
hunting in varying conditions you don’t have to stop and adjust your lighting
situation according to the light.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The crosshair is a fine + type with lines for
varying distances. The fine crosshairs enable the shooter to hit small objects
at long distance and the red lighting enables us to shoot in poor light. That
is something that would be very difficult to do with a fine line crosshair
without lighting. I have lost more than one fine crosshair in poor lighting
conditions which a lit reticle will prevent. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Since the 243 is a good long range gun capable
of hitting small targets this scope is a perfect match. With top loads the gun
is capable of ½” groups at 100 yards and this Burris makes it easier to obtain
these results. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The E1 series of scopes
has various models options. They have a 6.5 X 20 X 50 for those who need the
ultimate long distance optics. There is a verity of crosshairs for various tastes.
One thing I like about the website is you can look at each style of crosshairs
so you can make the best selection for you before you make your purchase.
Selecting crosshairs and other features is a personal thing and if you can get
a good look at the product that is a big plus.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For
more info you can go to <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>http://www.burrisoptics.com/<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The website is very
informative and I would advise a buyer to look it over as they have other
products such as rings, bases and spotting scopes. When you go to the site, you
can click on various countries so if you live in Spain the info is in Spanish.
Since this is an international company that is a good feature.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There
are sights also not to mention handgun model scopes. There is a complete price
list and while they are not the least expensive scopes on the market, the
quality is there and they have a good warranty. I found the prices reasonable
for what you get. If you are looking for some good optics, the Burris line
deserves serious consideration. Most consumers don’t mind paying a little more
if the product is a quality item backed up by the company. No worries with the
Burris on that end. Would I trust my Burris on a hunting trip?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You bet!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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lead and jacketed bullets for different purposes<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When you talk about
the versatility in handguns, there are several factors to consider. They would
be the availability of the guns themselves and ammo. Another factor is what
possible uses that can be utilized with your choice. The more uses the more
versatile the handgun is. Versatile handguns have the ability to shoot
different cartridges for example the 357 magnum can shoot the 38 short and long
Colt as well as the 38 special and 357 mag rounds. One might ask why not the
357 maxi as it can digest all of the above rounds plus the 357 maxi chambering.
All of that is true but getting guns and ammo for the maxi may be a bit of a
challenge. If you have a revolver and cases then you can reload that ammo and
if you want to carry, it around then it can be very versatile. For the average
shooter the 357 mag would be a better choice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The versatile handgun should be made by more than one maker and should
be in a price range that most people can afford. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Ammo at least some types should be easily
available for the non handloader.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Handloading
components should be easily available which includes cases and bullets.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Also the versatile handgun should be
available for various uses depending on the load. This leaves out the semi
autos because they are usually limited to one specific caliber and a few loads.
The load has to function the action and the bullets have to be shaped to feed
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44 Mag with Crimson trace Laser grips makes a good hunting gun. 44 specials and Russians are nice also.<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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caliber revolvers, the smallest is the 22 magnum. You can shoot various other
22’s in it including the long rifle and short though it isn’t a recommended
practice. The case is slightly smaller and accuracy may suffer. In a pinch,
however you can do it. There are some single action revolvers that have both
cylinders and you would be better served by using the correct one for your application.
Ammo is generally available but due to recent events prices have skyrocketed
and there is no sensible way to load your own. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The smallest usable
centerfire is the 327 Federal. It is an elongated version of the 32 H & R
mag and the shorter 32 rounds such as the 32 short and the 32 S & W. The
older rounds are underpowered but usable if nothing else is available. They
beat a sharp stick but not by much. The 32 auto can be safely fired in the 327
but don’t expect too much or you will be disappointed. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The 32 short and long were used for many years
for small self-defense guns and were popular due to that small size and
inexpensive guns that were available. The long has a good reputation for
accuracy and was used in matches over a period of time. Ammo and loading
components are still available today. The 32 H & R mag is supposed to be a
step up from the long but due to relatively low pressures, it doesn’t impress
very many folks. Still it is a little better then the long. The 327 is a real
step up in power. The 32 mag case is lengthened and pressures are increased to
equal a 357 mag. You can shoot bullets up to 150 grains though velocity will be
sacrificed. It is a legitimate self-defense and hunting round. Due to its high
velocity and flat trajectory it can be effective out to a hundred yards or so.
It would be a bit light for deer size game but in the hands of an adept it can
be made to work. It will work great on small game and varmints with the good
selection of bullets. All of the 32’s can be loaded with lead bullets and light
loads which will reduce the cost of shooting. Jacketed bullets should be used
in the 32 H & R and the 327. The smaller rounds can’t fire them fast enough
to expand and they don’t offer any better accuracy. Of course they are more
expensive which is another downside to using them. That would apply to the 32
auto round also.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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357 mag is the most versatile handgun available. The 357 maxi case is longer
and can fire the 357 mag but guns are not easily available nor is the ammo so
except for someone who has a 357 maxi and handloads I will stick to the 357
mag. Besides the 357 round it will chamber the 38 special and the 38 short and
long Colt. The short and long are long past their prime but ammo is still available
and cases can be loaded with light loads for target practice. The older rounds
were popular at one time for self-defense and the long was a military round at
one time though it was too anemic to be useful. The 38 special can be loaded
with countless bullets and loads and is an excellent target round. With lead bullets,
small game is a great option as they won’t ruin much meat if you want to eat
it. Modern +P loads makes it a useful self-defense round. There is an endless
supply of bullets and cases for the reloader. If more power is desired then the
357 should be considered. It is loaded to higher pressures and velocities then
the 38 special. Naturally, the recoil and muzzle blast can be unpleasant in a
small frame revolver. Coonan Arms offers the 357 in a semi auto pistol. How
well does it work? Since I have never fired one I won’t comment on that. Small
game and varmints can be harvested with the 357 with various loads. While it
will work on deer, it would be on the lower end and shot placement would be
critical. Anyone who makes a revolver has them chambered for the 357. They can
be purchased in single or double action with various barrel lengths and frame
sizes. Another nice thing about the 357 is there are rifles available for it.
As with the other combos a rifle will add 3 to 400 FPS which can make a real
difference in performance. A rifle with a good 357 load would make a creditable
woods deer gun. One of my carry guns is a S & W model 19 with a 2 & ½”
barrel and round grips. It is small enough to drop into my pocket but is
controllable with good working loads. I have other 357’s for other purposes
both single and double action. Bullet weights up to 200 grains can be utilized
for various purposes. For 98% of your shooting various lead bullets can be very
well utilized. For someone who has only one handgun this would probably be your
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you don’t mind the
extra weight and recoil the 44 magnum might be a good choice. There is a longer
case the 445 super mag but guns and ammo are very uncommon so it won’t be
included. Besides the 44 mag round you can shoot the mild mannered 44 special
and 44 Russian rounds. They can be loaded with lead bullets and light powder
charges for target or small game work. The magnum can be utilized for almost
any large game animal using the correct bullet. If you hike in bear country it
would be a much better choice then any 357. Bullet weights usually go from 180
to 325 grains though there are some lighter and a few heavier slugs available.
An LBT type of bullet weighing 300-325 grains would suffice for almost any
situation. With the special and Russian cases, lead bullets can be used for
inexpensive target loads. With the light recoil available extended shooting
sessions are realistic. Like the 357 both single and double actions are
available. With a lever action rifle, you would have a fine rifle-handgun
combo. Guns, ammo and reloading components are readily available.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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you have some thinking to do. If you want the ultimate power revolver then the
460 S & W. The problem is the revolver by necessity is very large and
cumbersome. The 460 round is very intense and not everyone can handle it. Therefore,
unless you expect to encounter a large bear or similar animal it isn’t for you.
The 454 Casull also falls into that category. It is large and the full power
round is brutal to shoot. Both ammo and guns are expensive for both rounds. However,
you can shoot 45 Colt and Schofield round in them which will tame them down a
lot. You can also load the 454 and 460 rounds down to make them more pleasant
to shoot. If you shoot full power loads be sure to use the proper bullets, as
the lighter ones will come apart. The high intensity rounds will strip the
jackets off some of the lightly constructed bullets. The jacket could stay in
the bore which could cause a dangerous situation. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For the average shooter the 45 Colt would be
more practical. Guns are more normal in size and price. Factory ammo is
available in a few loads and in a modern gun high power ammo can be safely
utilized. In a heavy 45 Colt load you have a splendid large game load not to
mention self-defense. The old black powder load that fired a 255 grain bullet
at 850-to 900 FPS served and still serves as a good self-defense load. If you
want lighter loads handloading can accomplish that and even better a 45
Schofield case can be used. With less airspace it is easy to load down to
levels that would approach a 38 special wad cutter in mildness. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
nice thing about a large caliber handgun bullet is it doesn’t have to expand in
order to be effective. It already leaves a large hole in anything it hits. A
full power 45 Colt load is very similar to a full 44 mag load in performance
meaning it will handle almost anything. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When
you utilize very light loads it is easier to use a short case with less
airspace. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are rifles for the 45
Colt and 454 Casull which will increase the velocity quite a bit. A 460 rifle
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have a knowledge of brass forming you can make any revolver more versatile. For
instance, the 41 mag has a spin off round known as the 41 special. It is
nothing more then a 41 mag case that is shortened. I don’t see much use for it
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The 475 Linbaugh is a
monstrosity with full power loads but you can use a 480 Ruger case to tame it
somewhat. Of course, you can shorten a case to fit your needs. However, bullets
are not real common unless you cast them nor are they inexpensive. Guns are
expensive and not common not to mention brass or ammo. For an all-around gun it
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the most powerful commercial revolver and is meant for the largest and most
dangerous game. With full power loads, it is very intimidating to anyone but
the most seasoned shooter. A 500 Linebaugh case will tame it a little but you
would have to trim the cases a lot to easily obtain really mild loads. You
still have the problem of a large gun and expensive components so like the 475
it is a poor choice for an all-around gun.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">I recently had an opportunity to review the 4 ‘TH <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>edition of the Firearms Guide. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you want info on guns and ammo this guide
is for you. There are a lot of listing for gun makers and models. You can go in
and in various ways look up a gun and caliber, models, finishes and other
pertinent info regarding that gun. It shows pictures and prices where
available. The gun section is broken down to types such as drillings or bolt
actions and further broken down to each maker. You can go into a specific maker
and see what they offer. One feature I love is they are getting into antique
and military guns going back to the Civil War. There are some machine and
Gatling guns listed as well <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I would buy
the guide just for that. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In fact, they
are soliciting pictures of old guns that are not there in order to have more
info for future issues. I am going through my collection to see if I have something,
they need in order to make it more complete. Like all good publications they
are looking for various ways to make a real good book even better. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are no articles on guns or ammo but that
would be out of the scope of this book. The best way to look at this
publication is it is a super list of the things described in this piece. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">Ammo is broken down to caliber and further to manufacturer.
You can pick a specific caliber and see who is making it and what loads are
offered. Pictures are also given along with prices and ballistics where
available. Bullet weights and some illustrations are also shown. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Every ammo maker is listed worldwide as well
as the US.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are calibers that most
folks never heard of that is listed so if you need something odd there is a
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are well over
4,000 schematics from about 360 makers from every country that makes firearms.
The pictures have good definition but those from other countries are in that
language. It is a big help if you have a gun with missing parts or need
something for a particular part. In some instances, you can see what the part
looks like and possibly have one made for you. Air guns are included as well.
For those of us who like offbeat guns such as drillings they have a nice list
of them.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Looking for a gunshop
in your area? With this guide, you are in luck. They have a complete listing in
every area and show all types of sales.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>They list paws shops and class 3 dealers as well. In other words it is a
complete list. I tried it in my area and found shops that I didn’t know
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is they have printable targets of all kinds which will save you money from
buying targets. Like every other aspect of this book the target selection is
extensive. Since I am a writer I have an idea as to what effort is utilized in
producing such a book. I am here to tell you that an enormous amount of work
went into this product. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is very evident
that a lot of work went into producing this book. Once you learn how to
navigate around it is easy to find what you are looking for. There are various
ways to find the desired info and they have a help section for non-technical
folks<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>like me. It shows us how to find
info easily. It is avialable for windows and mac systems. Also the 3 Rd<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>edition is available for $29.95 <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>in case you want it. The list price is $39.95
and I am here to tell you that it is worth every penny you pay for it. Thumbs
Up!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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way to the 2012<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>POMA conference I wanted
to stop in Seymour Texas to see a shop that makes all kinds of reloading
components and ammo for the obsolete calibers. I have been doing business with
Bob Hayley for some years and was anxious to see how<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>he makes some of the stuff that he makes. I
called about a week ahead of time to make the arrangements and everything was
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One of his many shelves of goodies</div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We called when we left the hotel and he wanted
to meet us along the road before we got into town. That turned out to be a good
move as his place would be difficult to find otherwise. From the outside his
place shown no indication of the business inside. There are no signs of any
kind showing where he is located. Bob is from the old school, he has no
computer if you want to talk to him, picking up the phone is the only way to
get to him. Everything is kept simple. He is however an encyclopedia on ammo
for old guns. His knowledge of the old guns and their history is vast. He is
also a trained geologist and a preacher. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The town itself is a small sleepy town in
North East Texas.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Bob is old school and
doesn’t have a website so you can call him at 940-888-3352. Chances are he will
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neither very large but full of goodies and various types of machinery used to
manufacture his products. You see various types of presses and molds. He makes
cast bullets that are not available elsewhere from custom molds obtained
through the years. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Many of his molds are
special order which makes them costly and usually requires a lengthy wait. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you want pinfire ammo you are in luck. He
can make any caliber in existence that you may want. Since it is a handmade
product prices are not cheap but if you want to shoot that old gun he can help
you. Since there are pinfires out there his knowledge<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>and products are appreciated. I have shot his
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obsolete rimfire calibers. One way he does it is to drill a hole on the side of
the rim and use a 22 starter pistol blank as the ignition source. One major
advantage to that is the case can be reloaded. Smaller cases need a small
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When making obsolete ammo it is frequently
necessary to make the cases out of other cases that can be found. Some of the
operations require trimming, swaging and cutting down the rim. As can be
imagined special tooling is frequently in order. Bob has all of the necessary
equipment to perform these and other operations as necessary. Many of his tools
he has modified himself in order to perform the necessary tasks. That is a job
in itself because everything has to be so specialized for a specific case. When
I was there he had a lathe set up to make 351 cases out of 357 maxies. It is
necessary to cut off the rim and put an extractor groove in the case. Needless
to say the dimensions have to be precise in order to make a quality product. If
the rim is not the correct size feeding problems will ensue. The extractor
groove has to be deep enough but if it is too deep the case will separate
causing a safety issue. Then it is trimmed and sized to be a finished product.
Another example is a machine that swages the case bodies. That has to set it
precisely to get the proper body dimensions. At the time of my visit he was
making 43 Spanish cases out of 348’s . I form a lot of my stuff but Bob has a
lot more equipment so I get some of my brass from him. Also I get most of my
odd cast bullets there also as I don’t like to cast much and his bullet prices
are reasonable. He makes cast bullets from tiny 22’s to giant slugs. I use a
lot of his various 11 mm bullets and they always shoot ok. If you want an 8.15
X 46 bullet with a central driving band then you are in luck. A 6 sided Medford
or a 310 cadet slug? Yes and many other bullets that most people haven’t heard
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not everyone reloads their own. Also it takes knowledge to load those obsolete
rounds. There are times when odd ball ammo is more difficult to load then your
modern fodder. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have purchased Berdan
primers from him for some of the cases I load. He is one of the very few
sources for these items. He also stocks reloading some reloading tools and dies
and you can call to get details. Keep in mind it is a one man operation so be
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Bob hayley Looks like a college professor not a maker of odd ammo components<div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-40183807110078475652013-09-20T11:17:00.002-07:002013-09-20T11:17:45.767-07:00Reloading Ammo by Feel
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are many
techniques discussed when talking about reloading ammo but I don’t see many
articles suggesting that feel is very important to successful ammo making. When
you are performing various tasks, you can’t see what is going on inside the die
so you have to depend on feel to determine how your ammo will come out. They
don’t make transparent dies yet so feeling your way around the processes in
vital. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Once you learn how to feel your
way around reloading ammo will be easier and more enjoyable. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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inspect and clean your brass sizing and decapping is your first operation.
Sizing brings the case neck to the correct size to hold a bullet while the body
is squeezed down a bit to enable chambering. Most dies decap the case also
meaning the old primer is removed. The operation involves some resistance which
depends on the size and brand of the case and the type of lubricant used. You
can buy tungsten dies for most handgun rounds and I would suggest that you
spring for the few extra bucks to buy them. They usually eliminate the need for
lube which saves time and the die last longer. There is also a small amount of
pressure required to remove the old primer as well. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When you get set up
you will notice the resistance involved and it should be the same for all of
the cases. If it is too easy, you might have a split case or slipped in the
wrong one. If you have a difficult time sizing the case perhaps you forgot to
lube it in the instance of a rifle or handgun without using a tungsten die. If
you get an unlubed rifle case stuck in a die, you have a serious situation. You
will need a stuck case remover and some effort to remove it. Rifle cases need
to be lubed around the body in order to size them easily. Don’t put lube around
the shoulder area as that won’t help out plus will produce hydraulic dents on
the shoulders. If you have military cases, especially foreign made make sure
that the primers are of the boxer type. Trying to decap a Berdan type primer
with a conventional set up will result in the assembly getting bent and
breaking the decapping pin. That is an aggravation we can do without.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That
is where feel comes in handy to avoid those headaches.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some brands of cases are more difficult to
size then others due to the construction some being thicker then others. Therefore,
if you are mixing brands during sizing that might account for some of the
feeling difference. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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is usually the next step. Seating a primer generates a little resistance which
is ordinary. If the primer is too easy to seat the pocket might be expanded
which usually results from shooting loads that are too hot. Once the pocket is expanded,
too much the case is not good for anything other then a display round. If the
primer is too hard to seat there may be a couple of reasons.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One is the pocket might have some residue
which can easily be cleaned out. Military cases frequently have a crimp in the
pocket which needs to be removed. I use a reamer for that task as I do a lot of
military cases for various projects. There is a primer pocket expander
available but I don’t care for it but it might be worth trying. I have run
across some brands of foreign cases that have pockets that are too small or
shallow to easily seat a primer. I either avoid them or slightly ream out the
pocket. If you use too much force to seat a primer some of the compound might
come out which will adversely affect the performance of the ammo.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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done by feel also. I always chamfer the inside of the case mouth which makes
seating easier and more consistent.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You
will have some feel, which is normal. If the bullet seats too easily you might
have a split neck. Another possibility is the brass is too thin. I have used
one brand of brass in the 8 X 57 caliber which has necks that are too thin and
the bullets aren’t tight enough. That will cause inconsistent ammo among other
problems including bullets dropping down in the cases. I size those necks in a
.318 die, which helps, but normally I will buy another brand of brass to avoid
that headache. Another cause might be bullets that are a tiny bit too small
which is not common but can happen. Occasionally an expander plug might be too
large causing loose fitting of the bullet. If they are too difficult, it might
be thick brass at the neck. That could be especially true if you necked down
the case from a larger caliber such as making 243’s from 308 cases. You would
have to either turn down the case necks or ream them out. Thick necks will
cause difficult chambering and possibly dangerous high pressures. Like every
other operation when seating bullets, they should all feel the same. Remember
you are dealing with dimensions that are in the .001 inch and that can make a
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the bullets, there is also a feel there. Once you get use to using the feel
method the crimping can be felt and if there is a problem you will realize it.
The cases have to be the same length in order to have a consistent crimp. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If the
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Owner John with test guns </div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are various ways of making bullets
including casting, swaging and machining them. CMA uses the swaging method
which entails forming them under pressure using dies. The dies determine the
shape and caliber of the bullet. Both jacketed and lead bullets can be formed
this way. One advantage to swaging is you can have a die made to make any type
of bullet that you can dream up. There are some dies made by a couple of
companies that are capable of making your bullets. It is fairly expensive to
get into swaging and can be downright costly in some instances. So if you want
to swage be prepared to lay out some cash. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A better option might be buying custom bullets
from a custom maker such as CMA. His prices are very reasonable which is
another plus. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Another
option is to buy them. Most bullet companies swage their bullets under various
criteria depending on what the projectile is going to be used for. If you like
specialized bullets then a small company may be the place to check out. One
such company that makes unique bullets and offers some loaded ammo is CMA.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For info you can go to<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><a href="http://www.cmacustomammo.com/"><span style="color: blue;">http://www.cmacustomammo.com/</span></a><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>for more info and availability. Let’s be
honest!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Anyone who reloads likes to
experiment with various loads and bullets and this is a great way to achieve
that goal. You might be able to suggest an idea to John and he might be able to
make it but check with him first. All custom bullets require tools and dies
specific to that particular slug. Since I do some swaging, I am well aware of
the needs of custom bullet making.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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44 special & mag with CMA bullets. Both shot accurately<br />
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">As with
all aspects of shooting the proof is in the pudding. How well do they shoot. I
have used some of the hollow base bullets in 45 and they produce good accuracy
even in a Judge, which can be finicky. Their stack-ems separate very well as
they are supposed to. Light and button bullets can be useful in some self
defense loads where excess penetration could be an issue. I have just received
some 44 and 45 hollow base bullets which I have shot with good results. John
also sent some 9 mm in 69 and 135 grain hollow points which performed well. The
69 should make a nice bullet in the 380. With such a light weight they should
help make the 380 a serious social load. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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45 ACP SWC'S Unlike many others these are beveled which aids in loading<o:p></o:p><br />
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shot some of John’s bullets and accuracy is always good. Even the Governor,
which isn’t known for accuracy, shot them well especially the hollow base types.
Many of his bullets are made for self defense and with his designs I see some
good potential there. He makes some stackers, which are different, and with two
or three bullets hitting an intruder at the same time, keeping your family safe
should be no issue. He sent some 45 ACP 200 and 220 SWC bullets which should be
good for target or small game hunting. They are FMJ’s and have a prominent bevel,
which is lacking on most of these type of bullets. The advantage of a bevel is
you don’t have to flare the case as needed in most handgun loads. That will
extend the life of a case because beveling works the case mouth which will
cause splits. With normal loads case splitting is the main cause of
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Even the Governor which isn't known for accuracy shot CMA bullets well<br />
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samples to shoot. One interesting one is a 45 ACP 125 grain Tiger Claw HP. I am
looking at a lightweight bullet that will cut down on recoil and still be
effective.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After shooting this bullet in
2- 45 autos, I see a lot of potential for it. Accuracy is outstanding and at
1200 fps recoil is pleasant. The cavity is large which should expand readily in
most medium. He uses<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>full length jacket
with a plastic ball behind the lead core. While that changes the balance point
of the bullet accuracy isn’t compromised, in fact it might help out in that
department.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The full length jacket aids
in feeding. One complaint that I have run across is the recoil of some 45 ammo.
Even some of the hot 185 grain ammo drew some negative comments from mostly
female shooters. I use a load of 7.5 X 231 and get real good results. A 125
grain HP at 1200 FPS<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>makes a nice
controllable round in the 45 and would be effective for self defense. I let a
couple of female shooters try it and they have a very positive review of it.
They would carry it in their 45 ACP pistols. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes, women carry and shoot 45 autos. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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his own business. One requirement to being successful is to have a quality and
useful product. John’s items fill both those needs nicely. Reasonable prices
are also necessary as well as good customer service. I have been dealing with
him for some time and he is always a pleasure to deal with and anyone looking
for some good bullets will do well to contact him.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There is a market for his innovative products
and I for one hopes he succeeds.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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shot 22 with the help of his grandfather. He progressed along and at the age of
12 received a 22 auto loading rifle. Like many other people in the industry
John progressed through the necessary steps in learning about handloading and
bullet making. I would suggest that you contact him for prices and availability
especially if you want a custom bullet. With the demand for ammo and reloading
components there is always room for a good custom bullet maker. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Life Member of The Colorado State Shooting Association (CSSA) as well as a
member of the 50 Cal Shooters Association, Army Marksmanship Association and
the Elk Foundation. I try and keep myself current of activities that affect the
shooting and hunting industries that we all hold so Dear. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Some more target bullets from a good selection of CMA products. <br />
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In the last number of
years there have been a number of companies started up to produce ammo. Some
are niche companies while others supply most modern ammo. One such company is
Double Tap. It was started in 2002 by Mike Mcnett with the idea of producing
high quality ammo for hunting and self defense purposes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They are located in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Cedar City</st1:city> <st1:state w:st="on">Utah</st1:state></st1:place>
and have a toll free number 866-867-1066. For info on their products you can go
to <a href="http://www.doubletap.com/"><span style="color: blue;">www.doubletap.com</span></a> to view their
extensive line of products. They started out with three loads for the 10 mm but
now offer over 300 loadings in various rifle and handgun calibers. They are
adding new products all of the time so it is necessary to check their site
frequently lest you miss out on something you might want. I became aware of
this company at the writer’s shoot which is a day prior to the SHOT show. I
talked to Mike and looked over his ammo and it became obvious that he cares
deeply about the quality of his products. Since I have shot a good amount of
his ammo, I was curious as to who developed the loads they use. It turns out
that Mike does all of the load development for Double Tap. That job requires a
lot of knowledge about ballistics and loading not to mention the time involved .
Since his ammo shoots so well I can appreciate the dedication he puts into
developing his products. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They also sell
some accessories including some brass and bullets so that might be something to
look into.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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Ruger Commander and Doubletap make a good combo<br />
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A couple of weeks
after the SHOT show was over he sent me some sample ammo in 380, 9mm and 40 caliber.
He uses premium bullets from such makers as Barnes Hornady and Nosler all top
notch. He buys brass from various makers and it is always top grade. A couple
of loads have a high ES but that could be a function of that individual gun.
Every gun is different and some don’t like a certain load or bullet. That is
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9 mm Beretta 92 5”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>124 grain<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1293<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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40- Glock 22<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>5”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>125 grain Barnes<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1308<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>very consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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40- Glock 22 5”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>200 grain Nosler<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1013<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>nice<o:p></o:p></div>
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40- Glock 27<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3
&1/2”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>125 grain Barnes<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1257<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>OK<o:p></o:p></div>
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40- Glock 27<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3
&1/2”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>200 grain Nosler<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>976<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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Sig 220 5” barrel<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>160 grain Barnes Tac XP<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1132<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>potent<o:p></o:p></div>
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Sig 220 5” barrel<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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</span>1199<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<st1:place w:st="on">Rock River</st1:place><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>308 20’<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>150 grain Barnes TTSX<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2875<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> good load </span></div>
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<st1:place w:st="on">Rock River</st1:place> 308<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>20”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>180 grain Nosler Accubond<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>2588<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>good
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<st1:place w:st="on">Rock River</st1:place> 308<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>20”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>200 grain Nosler Accubond<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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H & R Pistol 32 mag<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>60 grain Barnes<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>2 &1/2”
barrel<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1058<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>consistent<o:p></o:p></div>
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Ruger 327 mag 5 & ½”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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</span>1581<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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We shot the 60 grain Barnes in the 327 at 25 yards and they
were very accurate. A better rest & less wind would have done better.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have also shot some of his ammo in a couple
of Diamondback pistols that I was testing out. They are very sub compact models
and they performed well with his ammo. Calibers were the 380 and 9 mm. Accuracy
for such small pistols was outstanding.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Neither
gun jammed with this ammo.<o:p></o:p></div>
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The Rock River 308 shot the Double Tap very well at 100
yards giving groups in the 1” area consistently. Both the Barnes and Nosler
Accubonds shot well indicating good quality ammo.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Either bullet would be suitable for large
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The 45 Auto Rim came
out during WWl to supplement the 45 ACP. It is used in Colt and S & W large
frame revolvers. I have a S & W 1917 which I used to test the Double Tap
load. As usual it performed well. That is a potent load but they have several
others in the auto rim caliber.<o:p></o:p></div>
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They make ammo that isn't available elsewhere<br />
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I recently received a
Ruger 45 auto with a 4 &1/4” barrel for T & E. I thought that Doubletap
ammo would work well and I was right. The Commander digested everything that I
fed it. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For personal protection the
Nosler 185 grain load would be hard to beat and I plan on using it as my carry
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Double Tap<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have a LAR Grizzly
in 45 Win mag.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There were several guns
made for this caliber though the Grizzly and the Wildey were discontinued. TC
makes a barrel and Freedom Arms offers an optional cylinder for their model 83.
Factory ammo is difficult to find unless you check with Double Tap. They make
four loads for it so you are in luck if you are lucky enough to own one of
these pistols.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I started shooting ammo
in this gun but unfortunately, the ejector broke so test was cancelled. The
Double Tap look good with the limited shooting I did. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Up to a few years ago
when S & W introduced the 500 the 454 Casull was the most powerful
commercial handgun. With good loads it is capable of taking any big game.
Double Tap makes some loads for it and they shot very well in my Freedom Arms
model 83 with a 10” barrel. Recoil with the 400 grain can be only described as
brutal. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Recently I had a
chance to visit and tour his factory in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Cedar
City</st1:city> <st1:state w:st="on">Utah</st1:state></st1:place>. While the
operation doesn’t look large the available space is utilized in an efficient
way. They use a number of Dillon presses to manufacture most of the ammo. The
Dillon presses are set up for production while maintaining the high quality
control that Mike demands. For the most part he uses Starline brass which is
also a quality product though other brands are utilized.. Bullets come from
various manufactures such as Barnes, Nosler and Hornady. The rifle ammo is hand
crimped in a single stage RCBS press and individually inspected by the
operator. He has opened a new facility near the old one because of the rapid
growth he is experiencing. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have shot a lot of
his ammo and have never had any type of problem. There are several ways to
measure ammo quality. First of all it has to be safe and fit and feed in the
gun it is designed for. Next it has to be consistent in order to be accurate.
Consistency is usually measured by a chronograph, which measures its velocities
among other factors. If it has a low standard deviation and ES, the difference
between the slowest and fastest shot in the string, then that is an indication
of good quality. Among other things it requires the proper powder and amount is
used which takes some experimenting and time to develop such loads. It also has
to be safe in the guns that it is designed for. Consistent ammo also is
accurate an important consideration both in hunting and self defense. Mike puts
the velocity on all of his boxes and the guns that were used to develop the
loads. If your gun is similar to his then you should get similar results. I
have shot a good amount of his fodder and the velocities are always very close
to the advertised speed. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m here to
tell you that his ammo meets all of the criteria necessary to call it great
ammo. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Based on my experiences with it I
would recommend his ammo without hesitation. I don’t see how his business would
ever fail with the quality products and service he offers.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The big day has
finally arrived. After waiting 10 months from August 2010 when I got this trip
through POMA to June this year we are looking forward to the trip to <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Quebec</st1:place></st1:state>. The Danis family
generously donated the hunt to help POMA raise money for worthy causes such as
helping writers getting their careers started. They deserve accolades for their
generosity. Bill Miller from the North American Hunting Club arranged with the
Danis family to give the hunt.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
lodge that we are going to is <a href="http://www.domaineshannon.com/home.html"><span style="color: blue;">http://www.domaineshannon.com/home.html</span></a>
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is a family owned business by <strong><span style="color: #494948; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">The Danis
Family, Raymond, Serge and Sylvain. I personally dealt with Serge. You can check
out their website for info on hunts and fishing.</span></strong><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><o:p></o:p></b></div>
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We did the usual
preparations sighting in guns and making sure we didn’t forget anything and got
all of the required paperwork done. You have to go to Customs to get your guns
certified so you can bring them back to the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> after the hunt is over. You
should be able to find a customs office in your area. If you don’t do this
prior to the hunt you will have a very difficult time bring back your guns. For
the Canadian Government you have to file a firearms declaration listing exactly
what you are bringing including type, caliber, ser #’s and your name and
address. It is a non resident firearms declaration issued by the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police which you can download and print. If you take care of this ahead
of time it will save you aggravation at the airport. It will also cost $25 per
gun case. Be sure that you don’t bring any restricted firearms as that will
cause problems. Handguns and high capacity semi autos are not permitted so I
would advise that you research ahead of time regarding legal weapons. If you
are not sure leave it home. I am telling you this because if you don’t do this
ahead of time it might ruin your vacation. You may also encounter some
hostility from various officials about the guns so having the correct paperwork
will help out greatly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Of course you
need a passport which can be obtained at the Post Office. You can get into <st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region> without a passport but returning back to
the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
is much more difficult without one. Going through airports is enough of hassle
so don’t bring any unnecessary pain upon yourself by not having the correct
paperwork. Be sure that the airline knows that you are transporting firearms
and put them in an airline grade case. One other thing if you shoot a bear you
need to tag it there so you can bring it back to the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>. The outfitter can help you out
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lodge Sunday evening after a four hour drive from. <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ottawa</st1:place></st1:city>. The lodge is located in the middle of
nowhere and I mean nowhere. We drove 45 miles on a dirt road after leaving the
paved section behind. There is no cell phone service or TV’s there so you might
want to bring a book or two along. They do have Wi-Fi at the main lodge and a
land line phone.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The cabins have some
age but are well maintained and clean and have the necessary items such as a
stove and refrigerator. I would not classify it as luxurious but it is ok for
the purposes. If you are handicapped then you need to let them know ahead of
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expected to see there was a French chef. This guy cooked up some awesome meals
that were fancy with all the sauces and fancy deserts. It was like eating at a
fancy French restaurant. In other words the food is first rate. Breakfast was
also top rate and great sandwiches were provided for lunch. Like everyone else
at the lodge he and his assistants worked hard to make it a pleasant stay. They
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over baits and you are put into a blind. That might sound easy but believe me
it isn’t. There is no guarantee that you will see any bear even if you do
things right. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Bears are very intelligent
and wary animals and especially the larger ones don’t go to a bait unless they
feel secure in that there is no danger. They don’t get large by being stupid.
They are very quick and move quietly capable of running up to 40 MPH and can
climb trees with ease. They almost seem like a ghost as one second there is
nothing and suddenly a bear appears. It might seem boring but you need to pay
attention every second lest you miss out on a shot. Try and get a comfortable
position early on so you can remain motionless as possible to enhance your
chance of seeing a bruin. Hunting black bears is very worthwhile challenge that
any hunter should enjoy. If seeing a bear out in the woods doesn’t get your
heart racing then you better have someone take your pulse because you probably
don’t have one. Another aspect though very small is the danger factor. A black
bear is much more powerful then a human and can dismember one if it chooses to
do so which is very seldom. Tracking a wounded bear at night has a way of
keeping you alert. The bears average around 250 LBS but can be larger. You
should bring a rifle that is powerful enough to do the job. You don’t need a
super magnum, anything such as the 30-06 with a good bullet will definitely do
the job. Bears are tough and even when well hit they may travel some distance. You
don’t need a super accurate rifle as long as it has enough oomph to do the job.
If it shoots a 3” group at 100 yards then you are in business. Shots are seldom
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The guides at the
lodge work very hard to insure a hunter a chance to harvest one of these magnificent
animals. They maintain the baits by checking them every couple of days to see
which ones are active. The head guide EZ and his helpers drive some 100 miles
each day to inspect and refresh the baits. The stands are set up so you can see
a bear without being seen. A bear has an astronomical sense of smell and their
hearing is also great. Their eyes are definitely adequate for the job at hand.
You can use various items to cover your scent and silence is indeed golden
here. Domaine Shannon runs a great lodge and I would recommend that you check
them out if you are contemplating on going to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region>. They also offer moose
hunting and good fishing at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Shannon</st1:placename>
<st1:placename w:st="on">Lake</st1:placename></st1:place>. Pike and Muskie are
the fish there. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>While I didn’t fish I
saw a lot of boats come back with stringers of fish so the lake is pretty well
stocked.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They also have an 80 yard
shooting range to make sure that the scope didn’t get knocked off during the
flight. My 338 RCM was off by about 4” which was easy to rectify. The Alpen
scope model 40-50 performed very well the light gathering qualities and lighted
reticule really helped out in less then ideal lighting conditions. The optics
are extremely clear, a big help in the woods. The model 40-50 is a 1.5 X 6 X 42
with a 30 mm tube and I would recommend it for serious hunting. For more info
you can go to <a href="http://www.alpenoptics.com/"><span style="color: blue;">http://www.alpenoptics.com/</span></a><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>for a complete listing of their fine optics. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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at the stand by 6:00 PM which is plenty of time as bears don’t generally move
around a lot prior to 8:00 or so. Of course there are exceptions as with any
type of hunting. There is no morning hunting as that isn’t as productive. They
maintain between 65 and 85 bait sites and I have to admire them as to how they
remember where they are. The roads are primitive and there aren’t a lot of
signs there to help out. I probably would be lost most of the time if I had to
do that job. They go out during the day to freshen the baits and see which ones
are active. They only take a few hunters each week to increase the chances of
success. Pickup from the blind is usually after 9:00 as the days are very long
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nights we saw bear but they didn’t stick around long enough to allow a shot. I
saw a large one about 9:10 or so but he vanished like a ghost before I could
get off a shot. The same situation happened to Donald, like I said it isn’t as
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The next night I saw a small bear but gave him a pass as I
didn’t want a cub. I saw another bear but he was partially obscured by some
tree branches. I couldn’t tell for sure how large he was or where I could shoot
as I couldn’t see all of his body. Ethics should prevent any hunter from taking
such a shot. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When in a blind it is
imperative that you don’t make any noise or do something that produces an odor
that might spook the bear. You will also want good bug protection as there are
a good supply of mosquitoes and black flies.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>If you are swatting and scratching bugs then that will considerably
diminish your chances of success. I highly recommend Therma Cell products as
they work great in the blind. A good repellant with deet and a face net are
also good things to have along. If you go out without any insect protection you
will diminish your chances of success as the bugs will be getting your
attention instead of the hunt itself. I can not over emphasize that point as
the bugs are vicious and hungry. Most of the windows on the blinds are screened
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Donald shot a nice size bear, about 325 LBS on the hoof around 8:15 PM. The
well hit bear ran about 30 yards before piling up He went a slightly different
route and was using a Remington model 870 pump with Lightfield slugs that were
handloaded. A Leopold scope sat on top of his gun which performed well as you
expect a Leopold product to do. They proved accurate and deadly in the rifled
barrel that he was using. Range of the shot was about 65 yards. I have tested
Lightfield products extensively and I can recommend them for the hunter who
wants to use a slug either by choice or law. For more info you can go to <a href="http://www.lightfield-ammo.com/"><span style="color: blue;">http://www.lightfield-ammo.com/</span></a> for
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was in a stand next to a logging road. The bait was about 75 yards into the
woods and of course I was watching it. Imagine my amazement when a large bear
appeared out of nowhere walking on the road coming toward my blind. He was
leisurely walking along and came within 10 yards of me. Of course I didn’t make
a sound and couldn’t get a shot because of the blind construction. I watched
him for three or four minutes and finally he started to walk away from me and I
thought that he was gone. However he entered the woods about 60 yards away on
my side and I was sure that he was going to the bait. Sure enough about a
minute later he appeared and I took the shot. He went down but was thrashing
about and do to an obstruction I was unable to do a follow up shot. He got up
and started walking away at that time I fired again but he disappeared. He was
hit hard but they couldn’t find him as he went into a marshy area. It just
shows you that bears are tough and in spite of a good shot I lost a fine
trophy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was using a 338 RCM with a 210
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It was an enjoyable
stay and the folks at Domaine guarantee you an opportunity to harvest a bear
and if you don’t get an opportunity then they will offer you a trip next year
on them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That is pretty hard to beat.
Their success rate is typically 90%. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They also offer moose hunting during that
season. If you are looking for a good place to hunt and fish then I can highly
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As we shooters are
finding out the cost of ammo is spiraling out of control. Every time you go
into a gun store, sticker shock happens when you buy some ammo. There are a
couple of reasons for this occurrence. First of all, with the re-election of
Obama there is a fear that he is going to go after us gun owners in one way or
another. Unfortunately, that fear is justified. Another reason that ammo is
going up is the demand from both military and civilian usage.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>People are buying and stockpiling ammo for a rainy
day. The law enforcement community is also buying large amounts of this
product.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have toured various ammo and
bullet factories plus I have talked to various contacts in the industry and
they all say that they can’t keep up with the demand although some companies
are running 24-7. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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a lot of shooting what are your options? Some people opt for reloading their
own but the supply problems also plague that industry. It is however a good
option but we are going to look at the other route.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Many of the guns that are currently popular
are chambered for military rounds from various countries. One fact about
military calibers is that they are commercially successful regardless of their
characteristics. For the shopper of these calibers there are some good sources
for these loads. One definite upside to buying bulk is the price. Ammo bought
in bulk is about 50% the cost of regular store bought fodder depending on
caliber and location. </span><o:p><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> </span></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">Ok so you are sold where do you get this stuff? One good
place to start is at the gunshows. Especially the larger ones there is usually
at least one distributer of bulk ammo. For the purposes of this article bulk
will be at least 500 rounds. There isn’t much sense in buying smaller
quantities especially if you want to save money. I see folks buying bulk is
such quantities that they bring in a cart to carry it out.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Perhaps
they get together with some friends and go into large lots which would be a
good idea. Another advantage to buying at a gunshow is the elimination of
shipping charges, which can be steep with heavy packages.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In the area I live in there is a company that
sells bulk reloads in such calibers as 38 special and 45 Colt. The old adage
that buying reloads at a gunshow is risky business in no longer valid. If you
deal with a reputable company you will get good ammo at a reasonable price. I
have tried a few of their calibers with satisfaction. Naturally, the brass is
reloadable so you should pick it up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You may live in an
area that doesn’t have a gunshow near by so the next best option is buying from
various distributers online or get their catalog. Since shipping cost may be an
issue you want to buy the largest quantity as you can. Going in with shooting
buddies is a good idea.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One good source
is Cheaper Then Dirt<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><a href="http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/categorylisting.aspx?catid=75"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/categorylisting.aspx?catid=75</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You can go to their online catalog and check
on prices and availability. If it is out of stock that info will show up on
that page. They have a good selection at reasonable prices. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Another good source of bulk ammo is Ventura
ammo </span><a href="http://www.venturamunitions.com/"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.venturamunitions.com/</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They have both Wolf and reloaded ammo
including 38 special and 40 S & W besides the regular military stuff.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have dealt with these folks and the
experience was good.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Another possible
source for surplus ammo is J & G sales<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span></span><a href="http://www.jgsales.com/index.php"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.jgsales.com/index.php</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A company I ran across that advertises 7.62 X
39 is </span><a href="http://www.swisslink.com/"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.swisslink.com/</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>may
help out with your ammo purchases. Another excellent source for bulk is
SOG<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><a href="http://www.southernohiogun.com/"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.southernohiogun.com/</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They have such calibers as the 7.5 French
and 7.62 X 38 for the Russian Nagant. The 40 S & W is also available in
bulk.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;">So when you buy this ammo what should you expect in regards
to quality and reliability? That is a legitimate concern, as poor ammo isn’t a
bargain at any price. The ammo should feed and eject reliability and go off
every time. You also want decent accuracy and safe loads. Keep in mind that
this ammo is lower priced so they use less expensive materials, which isn’t a
bad thing if done properly. A lot of the ammo is made overseas again that is
ok. A lot of the cases are steel as opposed to brass which cuts the cost. The
down side is they are not reloadable which may or may not be important to the
consumer. They also have Berdan primers, which also makes them not suitable for
reloading but further cuts the cost of the ammo. They generally have FMJ bullets,
which for shooting purposes is fine. One of the largest manufactures of bulk
ammo is Wolf.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><a href="http://www.wolfammo.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.wolfammo.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They
do offer brass cases with soft point bullets for those who prefer this type of
ammo. Ventura ammo also offers this option in some calibers. That ammo may cost
a bit more but is worth it to some consumers. The soft point ammo is good for
some types of hunting. I had a batch of Wolf in 7.62 X 54 with a 205 grain
softpoint and it shot quite well. I even pulled some of the bullets to use in
the 303 British and 7.65 Mauser rounds with good results.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Since there are a lot
of military rifles and handguns from WWl and ll the question of bulk frequently
comes up for these relics. Buying bulk is possible for some but can be tricky.
Keep in mind that WW ll ended 67 years ago and the manufacture of ammo for some
was discontinued. If you buy bulk ammo for these there are a couple of things
to be aware of.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Depending on original
quality and storage you might have a lot of misfires. Another problem and potentially
more dangerous is the hangfire. What happens is when you shoot the round
doesn’t go off right away but may go off a few seconds later. If you have a
misfire with any ammo keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction for at least 60
seconds before opening action. If you start to open the gun and the round goes
off a serious injury may occur. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some
years ago I had some 303 British that did exactly that. About the only thing
you can do is pull the bullets, if able and dispose of it. This ammo had the
Cordite powder, which made for a good photo so all wasn’t lost. Another time I
bought 500 rounds of 7.5 X 54 French and the ammo looked great. Unfortunately
none of it went off so I pulled the bullets and used them for another
project.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Like the newer bulk sometimes
you can find it at a gunshow. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A good
source to find bulk ammo is the Shotgun News magazine, which is available by
subscription and on magazine racks. They are essentially a militarily
orientated publication and they have advertisers of bulk and surplus ammo. I
have seen such items as 30-06, 8 X 57 Mauser and 7.65 Mauser ammo advertised.
Some of it was made in the 1980’s and 90’s and should be reliable. Occasionally
you can find other calibers such as the 7.35 Carcano but it may not go
off.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Pistol calibers such as the 7.62 X
25 Tokerav can be found with a little research. I have a CZ 52 and found that
the bulk works well in it. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When looking
for some of the less popular calibers some patience is required which will pay
off in the end. If the ammo is old and looks bad you might want to give it a
pass unless it is really dirt cheap. That way if it doesn’t<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>go off you still have the components. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Another thing to keep in mind is most of it
has corrosive primers which will require you to thoroughly clean your weapon to
avoid rust or other damage. When buying surplus or bulk assume that it has a
corrosive primer to avoid any problems. Like any other shopping if you put some
time and effort in it you will find what you are looking for at a decent price.
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have shot a lot of
bulk ammo in various weapons in my line of work.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I study ammo performance in various weapons
and situations. I have shot a lot of ammo in anything from 9 mm to 308 and
30-06. With such brands as Wolf quality is generally good. Some loads leave
some residue though I never had a malfunction because of it. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have chronographed some and consistency and
velocity is usually pretty decent though not top notch. Then again, you are not
paying premium prices either. Accuracy is more then adequate for most purposes.
I have been to our public range quite a few times and have observed that most
shooter of the AK and AR platforms seldom shoot over 50 yards. A few do go out
to 100 but that isn’t that common. For what it is designed for performance is good
and I would recommend using bulk whenever available. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><br />
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<div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-87413880875497675982013-01-31T14:13:00.001-08:002013-01-31T14:13:13.999-08:00Decifering a Drilling<br />
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For those who might not know a drilling is a
three barreled gun. Usually the top two barrels are shotgun while the bottom is
a rifle. Many of the older drillings are chambered for 16 gauge though the 12
shows up fairly often. The only question with them is the length of the chamber
and if it is a black powder or smokeless piece. If it has Damascus barrels you
should stick to black powder after making sure the gun is safe to shoot. Also
many of them have 2 & ½” chambers as opposed to the more modern 2 & ¾”<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The fun begins when you want to shoot the
rifle barrel. Frequently the barrels are not marked and each maker chambered
his guns for unique cartridges designed by his company.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That is where advanced ammo making and
reloading techniques come in handy. You have to have a good understanding of
these guns to make safe and shootable ammo. Some are made back in the last
quarter of the 19’th century to the early years of the 20’th. You should
ascertain that the gun is sound and safe to shoot. If not sure consult a
competent gunsmith beforehand. Many of the drillings were made in Germany which
generally guarantees good quality. Some made elsewhere may or may not be so
good. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They are complicated and expensive
because of the firing mechanisms. You generally have two triggers to fire three
barrels which necessitates a lever on top or the side to determine which barrel
you want to fire. That involves extra parts and fitting which adds to the cost.
An advantage to owning a drilling is you have two guns in one. You have a
shotgun or rifle at your command. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Most
of the rifle calibers range from adequate to good large game cartridges though
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determine that it is safe you need to figure out what the chambering is.
Usually the best way is to do a chamber cast. By far cerrosafe is the best
product to use. It melts at low temperatures, around 170 degrees making it
relatively easy to use. It can be purchased at Brownells or Midway. After you
clean the chamber you put a plug in the barrel about ½” in the rifling which
will also give you the bullet diameter. You should have a tin type of container
that you can melt it and pour into the chamber. It cools rapidly and after a
couple of minutes you can tap it out. You should have a cast of the chamber and
rifling. Then you have to find which case you will use to form the brass. This
is where some knowledge is essential to make good cases.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you are unable to do this, the cast can be
sent to a custom reloader to make some ammo for you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Be prepared to pay a steep price for that
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<span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> The gun I
used for this piece was made by a J. Reeb who made guns many years ago in
Germany. It is a well made piece though there is no engraving that is found on
some. Typical of the day the hammers are hard to cock and the triggers have a
heavy pull.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I did a chamber cast and
determined that it is a 11 X 60 Mauser round but 3/8” was cut off of the
neck.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I made a test round and it fired
perfectly so I trimmed a bunch of cases for working up a load & the owner
wants to hunt with it. It has provisions for a claw mount so when he has one
custom made he can use a scope if desired. Since it shoots an 11 mm bullet big
game at moderate ranges is a viable option. The rifling is good so I expect
some good working accuracy from it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Naturally
we want to shoot this gun. The customer doesn’t want black powder which brings
up another challenge. Is it safe to shoot with light loads of smokeless.?
Through various ways I determined that it was. Since I have worked with similar
guns and calibers in the past I felt on safe ground working up a couple of
loads.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have worked with a couple of 11
X 60 Mausers one was a double rifle that is quite old. Since this cartridge has
a shorter neck I reduced the powder charge by a few grains from the Mauser
loads. The process is called extrapolation and should be attempted by very
experienced reloaders only.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I am
happy with these loads as they give plenty of velocity without straining the
old gun. These loads would be very adequate for deer and black bear at woods
ranges. Once a scope is mounted it will make a nice addition to any hunting
rifle collection. The iron sights are not that good.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A little research from a German friend has
probably come up with the proper name for this cartridge. It is a </span></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;">11,03x50R Scheibengewehr an obscure<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>round from the 19’th century. The picture
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<div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-26580033272005311292012-12-19T09:32:00.001-08:002012-12-19T09:32:15.474-08:00An Adult Conversation on Guns and Other Subjects<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Guns such as this will be a prime target of new regulations<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>With the tragic
shooting in Newtown Ct we will have a lot of conversation about various aspects
of this tragedy. Most of the conversations will do with guns and what to do
about them. The reason is they are a high profile target especially for the
uninformed.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Even before the bodies were
cold there were shouts for gun control and gun bans. These people look for
these heinous crimes always look for some incident to further their agenda.
They like to wallow in the blood of the victims to further their agenda. The
lamestream media are shills for the gun banning politicians and various
anti-gun organizations. Their solution is to ban guns and this type of crime
will go away. Their ignorance is astounding. One idiot even stated that the
Bushmaster in 223 is the world’s most powerful gun. In fact the 223 is in about
the bottom 15% in regards to power when compared to most rifle rounds. There
are many other stupid statements by the lamestream media but they don’t want to
be bothered with facts. They have the intellect of a pissant. They wouldn’t
know how to report honestly if it hit them in the face. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The problem is that is nothing but nonsense
and there are very few honest reporters out there. What is in the hand isn’t
the problem but what is in the heart and mind. There is no evidence what so
ever that shows gun laws make our society safer on the contrary areas with
draconian gun laws have higher crime rates. Shooters who go into schools,
shopping centers, work places and other similar places go there because they
know that their victims are helpless. The shooters are cowards like most criminals
and don’t want to be shot by a victim. Even the Center for Disease Control who is
no friend of gun owners tried to find evidence of gun laws that work and couldn’t
find any and had to admit the same. However in spite of that fact they still
push more gun laws. Where is the logic. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I predict that we will be saddled with some
useless gun laws sooner rather then later. I say this because Obama will sign
any law that tramples on our rights. The Senate is controlled by Democrats,
need I say more? While the house is controlled by Republicans that are some
rinos that will cave in to the pressure to vote for more controls. After all
elections come up in 2014 and they want to tell their voters that they did
something about the gun problem. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Most politicians have two goals when they get
elected. How much can they steal and how many times they can get re-elected? We
have very few statesmen and leaders in the government but plenty of leaches. They
suck at the public trowel and give little or nothing in return. Term limits
would resolve that issue. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When you
realize that you will understand why we will have some more gun laws. Never mind
that they don’t work as the Clinton gun ban of 1994 which did nothing to make
us safer. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It makes office holders feel
good. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes the NRA and other pro-gun
organizations will fight this nonsense but probably to no avail. Semi auto
rifles and handguns have been around for over 100 years but school shootings just
started in the 1980’s. In generations past both teachers and students brought
guns to school but no one ever got shot Hmmmmmmm<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>!!! <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>By
the way the worst school massacre was done in the 1920’s A handy man rigged up
some explosions in the basement and blew up the school. I believe that 38
students and some teachers were killed in this act. Guns played no part in this
massacre. If I wanted to get a body count I would bring in a quart or two of
gas and throw it around the class. I imagine that I could wipe out the entire
class room between the burning and the panic it would cause. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Could
there be another reason for these shootings? <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are about 20,000 gun laws of various
levels in this country. I ask how many laws do we need?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One form of insanity is trying the same thing
over and expecting different results. A good example is the Clinton Gun ban. It
was tried and didn’t work but it will be tried again. Millions of responsible
shooters own semi-auto guns and are no danger what so ever to the public. They
are used for recreational purposes such as hunting and target shooting not to
mention self defense. Taking these guns away will do nothing to make us safer.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Want to hear a
joke?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Obama is going to appoint Biden to
be his point man on this issue. He will meet with various cabinet members who
are all anti-gun. Guess what input he will get. Like everything else Biden has
done it will be a travesty. I doubt that he will consult with any thinking
adult. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Obama has made a statement that he believes
that no one should be allowed to own any gun. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That is his ultimate goal. When he states that
he respects the 2’nd amendment he is telling one of his many lies. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>How about violent
movies and videos?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There will be some
lip service paid to them but nothing else. The problem is most of the people in
this industry support the Democrats and give millions to the Democratic party
so they are off limits in regards to regulations. Keep in mind that most of
these producers and actors that make these violent movies are anti-gun. Is
there any hypocrisy there?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I don’t know
if video games cause violence but someone who plays these games all of the time
could possibly be at risk to commit a violent crime. Moderation probably does
no harm. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It seems that most of
these mass murders have some mental health problems. However society doesn’t do
enough to address this. There is already a law against mentally disabled people
owning guns. People who are crazy in many cases are very clever and can plan
their crimes in detail. A mentally retarded person has a low IQ and can’t think
things through and would be unable to do much planning. Some good examples of
retarded people are Joe Biden and some members of congress, they can’t think of
a logical solution to various problems facing our country. They are not crazy
just stupid. There needs to be a better system to dealing with and helping
crazy people. Locking them in prison with no treatment doesn’t solve the
problem. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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These handguns might be an endangered species<br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>OK what is the
solution? Nothing is simple but we have to get rid of the gun free zones. That
is where the bleeding is. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That is one of
the worst ideas ever thought of. That is an invitation for mass murders who are
cowards and look for soft targets. I think that we can learn a lot from Israel.
They have no airplane hijackings and very few school shootings. Guess why!
Everyone is armed and trained to protect themselves and school children. Teachers
carry guns and anyone who is foolish enough to try and shoot up a school will
be cut down in short order. To those who might be mentally challenged the
meaning is that saves innocent lives. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Do we have the will to arm and train teachers
and others to have guns and training on the job. Sadly I doubt it. As long as
we have gutless politicians and others we will suffer these shootings and try
more of the same ideas that don’t work. I wonder how many more shootings we
will have before the general public wakes up? <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-54146737471927628022012-12-06T10:10:00.003-08:002012-12-10T08:22:20.128-08:00A sensless crime<div style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">
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<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">As a note Kate Krugers Gun Talk Radio show is on every Sunday from 12 noon to 2 PM Arizona time. Sunday DEc 16'th there is going to be a special on handloading with my self and two giants in the industry. There will be an oppertunity to call in and ask questions. A great show don't miss. to access the link is <a href="http://katekruegertalkingguns.com/">http://katekruegertalkingguns.com/</a></span></strong><br />
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<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A Sensless Crime</span></strong><br />
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<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Responsible Gun Use: the gap between crime
and weapons</span></strong></div>
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<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">By Eve Pearce</span></strong><br />
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December
1<sup>st</sup>, a provocative debate has emerged once again over the
availability and use of guns in the United States. Jovan Belcher, a linebacker
for the Kansas City Chiefs, fatally shot his girlfriend in their family home
early Saturday morning before driving to the Chief’s practice field, when he
committed suicide in the presence of his General Manager and Coach. While few
lawmakers have yet to weigh in on the event, on Sunday night, NBC sportscaster
Bob Costas ignited a national news frenzy when he read a portion of Fox Sports
columnist Jason Whitlock’s article on gun use that stated that the
2<sup>nd</sup> Amendment was a threat to liberty.</div>
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Speaking
out against what he labeled as an overly liberal policy, Costas enraged many
people by implying that the tragic murder and suicide was only possible because
Belcher has access to a gun. His comments have sparked international attention
as well as <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/270731-dem-lawmakers-refocus-on-gun-control-in-wake-of-nfl-tragedy" target="_blank" title="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/270731-dem-lawmakers-refocus-on-gun-control-in-wake-of-nfl-tragedy">further commentary</a> by political activists such as Wayne
LaPierre, the Chief Executive Officer for the National Rifle Association.
LaPierre was heavily critical of Costas’ remarks and accused him of attempting
to, “piggyback his social agenda on the back of a tragedy.” What’s more, his
comments failed to make light of the many other issues that played into the
event, leading many to determine that while a gun may have played a part in the
death of two young people, it was the hand the pulled the trigger that should be
blamed. </div>
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<strong>A
Tragic Crime</strong></div>
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Over
the past several years, political activists and politicians alike have tended to
use murders and accidents involving guns to publically declare their political
opinion against the legality of such. Tragedies such as the Milwaukee shooting
of August 5<sup>th</sup> had very similar political results as the one we saw
just this week: within hours, gun control activists had made public statements
atoning the crime to be a direct result of the availability of guns. These
statements were made before the police had time to gather evidence, before the
families of those involved could be properly interviewed, and long before the
victims were even buried.</div>
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In
many cases, it is clear why these comments are made – those that hold true to
their opinions against the 2<sup>nd</sup> Amendment see fatal shootings as a
unnecessary incident, convinced that if guns are illegal, violent crime will
cease. However, what they fail to note are the statistics on violent crimes with
alternative weapons, or even recent studies that have conclusively pointed to
evidence that higher rates of gun ownership <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/10/exploiting-gun-tragedies/" target="_blank" title="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/10/exploiting-gun-tragedies/">could actually reduce crime</a>. Furthermore, the comments are
typically made radically soon after the incident takes place, resulting in media
injustice and calls of guilt before the police are able to adequately examine
the full scope of the evidence. Unfortunately, such has been the case with the
story of Belcher.</div>
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<strong>A
Case of Substance Abuse?</strong></div>
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What
many have failed to note in the latest gun crime to make international headlines
is that while to many Belcher appeared to be a happy, successful NFL player and
loving boyfriend, there may have been other issues at play in his home life. For
starters, recent research has begun to shift media attention towards the issue
of head injuries within the infamously dangerous sport. Because concussions
sustained during intensive physical interaction has been known to have a severe
impact on mental health (a key issue at play in any sudden murder, and certainly
in all cases of suicide), Belcher’s role as linebacker for the Chiefs is one
that some are pointing to as a possible cause of the crime. Furthermore, while
he was unknown to have an extensive history of concussions, professional
football players are often known to hide head injuries from coaches in a ploy to
keep themselves off the bench and on the field. </div>
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Second,
there have been <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/sports/football/after-belchers-suicide-coach-and-communities-are-left-asking-why.html" target="_blank" title="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/sports/football/after-belchers-suicide-coach-and-communities-are-left-asking-why.html">some suggestions</a> that substance abuse, including prescriptions
painkillers and alcohol, could have played a role in the senseless crime that
was committed seemingly out of the blue. In fact, those that knew Belcher best
claim that this was something far from expected, citing his tendency to give
back to the community and his warm and loving attitude towards his friends and
family. These suggestions can only lead to the suggestion that if Belcher’s
mental capacity or reliance on controlled substances had been properly
monitored, perhaps the crime may have been avoided. Perhaps the key to ending
crimes such as these would be in offering better sources of <a href="http://drugabuse.com/usa/drug-abuse/new-york/">http://drugabuse.com/usa/drug-abuse/new-york/</a> (Belcher’s home
state) for those at risk of turning to violence, rather than continuously
debating the legality of a tool that our constitution permits. </div>
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A promising career cut short by personal issues.<br />
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Editor's note. <br />
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Rather then blame guns or the NFL let's try something new. Blame the shooter. He chose the lifestyle he was living and knew right from wrong. Also sports figures are put on a pedestal by their fans and bad behavior is often overlooked. Such mentality leads to these tragic incidents. <br />
<br /><div class="blogger-post-footer">http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR022927</div>Bob Shellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10404251642835729104noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2972184798065033459.post-46610015842141477562012-12-03T11:16:00.000-08:002012-12-03T11:16:05.456-08:00The New 45 Colt<br />
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Shooting the 45 Colt with black powder loads<br />
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The day before the SHOT show starts there is a
media shoot which gives us an opportunity to handle and shoot new guns. I stop
at Colt to see what they had on hand. Immediately I saw an attractive single
action in 45 Colt, which is one of my favorites. Upon examining it and some shooting,
I know that I had to have one to evaluate and write about. It is that nice. So
I put my request in to receive one. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
have tested other Colt products including a Delta Elite in 10 mm and they
always performed well, if a bit pricey. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> One thing that I want to mention is the sensgard hearing protection. I have been using them for some years and they are my favorites. They are light and convenient plus cost is very reasonable. I would highly reccomend them. For info you can go to <a href="http://www.sensgard.com/">http://www.sensgard.com/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Sometime later, it finally arrived. Upon opening,
I was reminded on why I liked it so much. It is an attractive gun with a case
hardened receiver while the rest of the metal parts are blue. The wood grips
have the Colt medallion in gold color. The fit and finish are of high quality,
which you would expect of a gun in this price range. It is a typical Colt
single action with a couple of upgrades. The sights are adjustable and it has
the safety to avoid one going off in case it is dropped. It holds 6 rounds of
45 Colt ammo with a 4 & <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>5/8 inch barrel
on my sample.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Colt made the New Frontier
from 1890 to 1981 so this is a reintroduction of that model. It is also known
as the flat top model and is also available in 44 special and 44-40 though that might change. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>According to my gauge the trigger broke at 3
Lbs. and was consistent. There was virtually no creep or mush in the trigger
which is a major aid in accurate shooting. It is one of the better triggers I
have encountered in a single action revolver. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are four positions that the hammer can
be placed in. The first notch locks the cylinder and may be some sort of safety
second notch rotates the cylinder. Colt came out with the revolver as we know
it in 1836 with the cap and ball model. It was improved until 1873 when the 45
came out in their single action which is still being produced today and is
essentially the same. It is one of the most recognizable handguns ever
produced.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My gun shows a patent date of
1873 in spite of it being new. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Herco<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>200 grain
Raanier <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1128<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>accurate<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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FFFG<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>255 grain
Hornady .454<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>715<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>nice<o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Unique<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>250 grain
cast<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>744<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>accurate <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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Good accuract at 25 yards offhand Ranier bullets<br />
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be a pleasant experience as recoil was mild and accuracy is good. I shot other
loads during the test and everything was accurate that showed good accuracy but
they hit to different points on impact. That is in no way a fault as I tried a
verity of loads including black powder. The Ten X loads shot well and if you
are looking for some good cowboy loads I suggest you give them a try. For info
on their line of ammo you can go to </span></span><a href="http://www.tenxammo.com/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.tenxammo.com/</span></span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> for info. Bullets used were .452 in
diameter except the Hornady which is .454. That was the original diameter of
the old Colts. I used Goex black powder, which gave good accuracy and
consistency, but the velocities were lower than I expected. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>With these light loads you can shoot all day
comfortably. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Also I shot quite a few
Ranier bullets as they are not lead or as expensive as conventional jacketed
slugs. As always they shot very well and were accurate. I would suggest that
you give them a try and you won’t be sorry. For more info on their fine
products you can go to </span></span><a href="http://www.rainierballistics.com/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.rainierballistics.com/</span></span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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45 Colt with ammo. A handsome gun <br />
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
grip is a bit small for my hand but there are plenty of aftermarket accessories
to resolve that problem. With the mild loads I contemplate, shooting larger
grips are not needed. If I want more powerful loads I have a Ruger and Freedom
Arms to use. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>At 15 yards offhand careful
shooting will produce groups in the neighborhood of an inch. The action and
trigger are very smooth indicating that some time was spent on the action.
Everyone who shot it was favorably impressed. Since the action is essentially
the same one that came out in 1873 there will no<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>hot loads used in this test. I have shot a 45
Colt that was made in the 1880’s and it felt very similar to this new one. The
only difference was it had a longer barrel and fixed sights.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The Colt has a tendency to point naturally
another plus. I would not feel that I was at a disadvantage in a home defense
situation. With its point ability and large bullets it should settle an affair
rather easily. Keep in mind that a self-defense shooting seldom requires more than
a couple of shots. The Colt holds 6.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
original Colt was available in various calibers such as the 32-20 and 38-40
which were also available in the Winchester model 73. The 44-40 also had that
option though the 45 didn’t. That is a head scratcher. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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I wanted to see what was the size of the holes in front of the cylinder. If the
holes are too small they will swage down the bullet before it enters the barrel
which will have a negative effect on accuracy. I have seen that with some
revolvers and their accuracy, or lack of, showed up. I found that all 6 ports
measured .452 which is the correct diameter and one of the reasons for its good
accuracy. I compared <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>the cylinder with a
Ruger and a Freedom Arms model. The Colt was the smallest and lightest
reinforcing my view that + P loads should be avoided in the Colt. For the life
of me I can’t see beating the peacemaker with hot loads. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I can’t think of any downside to this gun
except the price. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Suggested retail
starts at $1400 depending on where you buy it. That would be stiff for someone
of limited means.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is also available in 44-40 and 44 special
plus different barrel lengths though that might change. I would suggest a model
with both cylinders.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If I tested another
one, it would be in 44-40, which is a sweet caliber making <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>more attractive by offering a 44 special
cylinder That might not be available in the future, a shame. If you are willing to lay out the bucks, I think that you will be
well pleased with this model and based on the listed criteria I would recommend
it. It carries on the proud tradition of the single action Colts very well.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For more info on Colt products, you can go to
</span></span><a href="http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtRevolvers.aspx"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;">http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtRevolvers.aspx</span></span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> for more info. <o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Around 9:30 that fateful night I heard a
commotion outside and upon seeing what was going on I saw that my shop/house
was on fire and fully engulfed. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I live
across the street from the shop location so I was close by.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was stunned and attempted to go over but
the firemen already on the scene stopped me. I knew that my son and grandson
were there but was unaware that my step son and his daughter were over there
visiting. Anyway my wife and I suffered the loss of our children and
grandchildren.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Of course, that is
something that you never get over. The Fire Marshall never determined what
caused the fire though he determined that it started in the living room and not
in the shop where the ammo was made. Of course all of the normal precautions
were taken but sometimes that isn’t enough. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My gun collection and all of my reloading
equipment were over there as well as many books and other paraphernalia that
was gun related. I had many special made dies and tools as I load a lot of
obsolete ammo and write about. My gun collection included many firearms that
were from 100 to over 140 years old. There were quite a few modern types of
firearms with scopes. None of the scopes survived as they are not meant to
absorb the heat that was generated. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Since the house was totally destroyed I did
not hold much hope for the contents. Of course, I had some powder, primers bullets,
and other supplies for making ammo much of it for obscure calibers which turned
out to be a total loss.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The guns were taken off the property by the
police to avoid looting regardless of their condition. They were boxed and
inventoried as well as they could though many of the firearms were unknown to
them because of their age. It proved to be a learning experience to them as
they are not the type of weapons used in crimes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Of course, I had a complete record of them,
which I provided. Anyway, in about two weeks they released them to me, which
made the evidence room clerk happy as they took up most of the space. After
looking at all of those boxes, I knew that my work was just beginning. It’s a
bad feeling to see the guns in such bad shape. Anyone who loves firearms knows
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After the initial shock wore off, I had some
decisions to make in regards to this material. For a short period of time, I
considered throwing up my hands and saying to hell with it and let everything
go to the scrap yard. However due to a lot of encouragement from the shooting
industry and friends I realized that quitting wasn’t an option that I could
live with. The decision was made to restore the guns and other equipment as
much as possible. I have been accused with some justification of having
gunpowder in my veins. I cannot refute that claim. Besides golf and gardening
activities are not interesting to me in the least. The decision was made not to
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Upon going through the rubble, we found a lot
of dies and some other tooling that might be salvageable. All of the dies were
covered with rust and other crud. Many of them were encased in plastic as the
die boxes melted and surrounded the dies. I decided on doing what I could to
fix them as many are expensive and difficult to replace. The dies that were not
encased in plastic were the first project that I tackled. I wanted to get an
idea of what was and wasn’t good. Since my grinder perished, I picked up a new
one with several wire wheel brushes. I took each die and removed as much of the
outside crud as possible, which took several minutes for each one. If I was
able to remove the inside parts that was done at this time and cleaned up. I
then put them in buckets of kerosene for several days to loosen up the crud on
the inside. After soaking for a few days, I removed the innards and cleaned
them up by using the wire brush. This included the decapping, belling and
bullet seating assemblies. They cleaned up pretty well and were usable again.
The insides of the dies were cleaned with a wire brush hooked to a drill. I
wrapped the brush with the proper amount of steel wool, which worked well. The
sizing dies were a little tougher. They required more work as the dimensions
are more critical. I ran the steel wool in them until they came out shiny or I
could see that they were pitted which rendered them useless for resizing. Using
course, dry steel wool on a drill really worked well. I would make it a tight
fit and spin until I could feel the die getting warm. After a couple of minutes,
you could tell if the dies were good or not. I was able to save quite a few
that way including some of the odd ones which if I had to replace would go into
the three figures in dollars. I also have some bullet making dies and using the
same methods were able to save many of them. Some of my one step bullet sizing
dies were salvageable. Cleaning the threads and insides put them back in
service. I am here to tell you that this is a very time consuming and dirty
job. After the dies were restored and deemed fit for use, I had to find
suitable boxes for them, which I did. I have tried some of the dies and am
happy to report they work fine. The dollar savings is considerable using the
restored dies as opposed to buying new ones.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The tungsten dies did fine probably because of the hard metal used. In
addition, it is an insert that is relatively short and as long as it isn’t
damaged your die should be fine.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The dies that had plastic in the threads
required extra work. The wire brush wasn’t effective in removing it so heat was
the only option. The larger pieces had to be cut up before we could do anything
with them. The heat has to be carefully applied to avoid further damage to
them. We found that by hammering the plastic around the dies removed it pretty
well. The plastic was brittle which helped with that task. Also the plastic
helped protect the dies from the elements and water, making them easier to
clean. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some of the plastic was taken off
by putting the die in the vise and taking it off with a hammer and screwdriver.
I only used heat when nothing else worked. One example was some dies didn’t
have a stem in them and as a consequence plastic got into the threads and
defied efforts to remove it. Many of the small parts were salvaged including
decapping assemblies and seating stems. They just had to be cleaned up and
re-installed. If the die was too badly damaged to continue service, the small
parts were utilized elsewhere. You would be surprised how fast costs add up if
you buy those little parts. Shell holders for the most part were salvageable.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The inside has to be cleaned so a case will
fit and the bottom as well so it will go into the ram. I found that a dremel
tool with a small brush is helpful. A small screwdriver and wire brushes also
help with this chore. However, some have plastic from the boxes, which is very
stubborn to remove without some heat applied. Most of the bullet seating
assemblies and decapping rods cleaned up on the grinder. You have to make sure
that the threads are well cleaned out as well as the neck expander.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The neck expander has to be well cleaned to
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to avoid a lungful of dust. In addition, safety glasses are necessary as there
are many particles flying at high speed. If they hit your cheek, no big deal
but one in the eye will certainly cause you much pain and possible permanent
eye injury. Work gloves are not a bad idea either to protect a finger that
might stray too close to a wire brush. You should have good ventilation to air
out the shop. Kerosene isn’t real dangerous but it can catch fire if you are
careless. Fire extinguishers should be close by just in case. Safety should
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The guns are a different matter. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some of
them were burned so bad there was no doubt that they were totally destroyed.
With the long guns I wanted to save as many as possible but there are a few
problems with that. Virtually all of the stocks were destroyed as well as the
scopes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>However, the metal on some
wasn’t as bad as you would expect so there was some hope. If the receiver and
barrel were exposed to excess heat then it was discarded, as there is warpage
and other problems that would prevent them from being fired. Once the receiver
and bolt are heated excessively they lose their temper and strength making them
dangerous to fire. Even if you were able to make it fire it may come apart
which would be disastrous to the shooter and bystanders. Some parts of the fire
burned at about 2,000 degrees, which is hot enough to destroy virtually
anything. I plan to shoot some of the bad guns but they will be tied to a tire
with a string. We will video tape the events for further study. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If in doubt, have it checked out by someone
who is familiar with these types of situations. Some of the guns were heated
but not enough to destroy them however, most of the springs lost their temper,
requiring replacement. That is a time consuming and tedious job not to mention
the difficulty in obtaining some of them. Of course, the guns have to be taken
apart and thoroughly cleaned to enhance the inspection. I have a few antique
rifles that survived though the stocks were not so lucky. Trying to find
replacements can be an exercise in frustration. Anyone have a stock for a 60
caliber Snider? <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some of my handguns were
in a trunk so were spared the heat but not the foam and water that the fire
department used. Some lost much of their bluing including an early model 29 in
the box. Well now, I have a shooter. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span><br />
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was some exceptions as some wasn’t exposed to the heat. I sorted through the
brass to see what could be saved. If it wasn’t exposed to excessive heat it was
cleaned up and used. If it is obvious that the brass was exposed to a lot of
heat it was discarded. It can be dangerous to use that brass as it is weakened
and could come apart in the gun. If I had any doubt it went to the scrap heap.
If the bullets weren’t melted or heated out of shape they were cleaned up and
used. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 bullets were lost including a lot
of odd diameter slugs. As for brass probably around 10,000 were lost much of it
odd stuff. The loaded ammo was a complete loss as you could imagine. The books,
which included many, hard to get volumes went up in smoke.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There
was a small amount of ammo that didn’t go off however it was exposed to the
heat and is regarded as being unsafe to fire. The heat may have altered the
powder characteristics, making it too strong to fire. The way I look at it is a
gun and body parts are harder to replace then ammo.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span><br />
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they got burned It looks like I can salvage some with a lot of TLC. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some are pricey such as the Star and a Silver
Press from Corbin. Like the dies I have them soaking to remove the surface
rust. After that they will be taken apart to clean up each part. If the major
parts are not warped they can be saved though a lot of the small parts will
need replacing. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The Silver press
survived in good shape just needed to be cleaned up and remounted on the new
table. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I had two Dillons but they did
not survive partly due to location and the material they are made of. They are
made from aluminum, which melts at lower temperatures then steel. The dies for
the most part were ok as was the shell plates.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The Ammo master and Rockchucker presses should be ok. Unfortunately, the
MEC shotgun presses were badly damaged. Any of the parts that survived were
salvaged for further use in the future.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As I said I had some handguns in a trunk which
essentially survived the fire but has some water and foam damage from the fire
company. While not mechanically impaired they looked pretty bad. Taking them to
a gun shop would be an expensive proposition so I decided to blue them myself. I
have performed that operation in the past so I know what is required to do this
process. For this project, Birchwood Casey products were chosen. The gun is a
Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt that I have owned for some 32 years. I figured that
I couldn’t hurt it though it was taken out and test fired just to make sure it
is up to snuff. It was pretty grungy and had some prominent water spots and
other areas where the bluing was removed.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The grunge was cleaned up first then off came the bluing. After polishing,
it was thoroughly cleaned and degreased. The secret in getting good results
bluing a gun is the preparation. If you leave grease on the gun your bluing
will be uneven and may be off color. A smooth surface aids in getting good
results. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After about three hours of labor,
I had a finished product. While not a professional job it looks good and as
time permits more of these guns will be done. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is very important to remove all traces of
the bluing compound and oil the gun. The reason is bluing is corrosive and you
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The fire did some strange things such as total
one gun and another nearby just got singed. A Swiss K-31 had the stock
blackened but the metal is fine. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Many
rounds of ammo went off but there was no casualties attributed to that as ammo
outside a gun doesn’t have as much power so there were no bullets flying for
miles around. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Very little of anything left the property,
contrary to rumors. The one neighbor’s house suffered minor smoke damage, as
there was a high wind that night blowing toward her house, which is a very
short distance from mine. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I hope none of the readers ever experience
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The 9.4 Dutch requires swaged bullets to work<br />
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Casting Verses Swaging Which one is the Best<br />
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There are two ways to make bullets that the hobbyist may peruse. They are casting and swaging. Another way is some are machined from solid brass or copper but they have a narrow window of use and are seldom used in conventional hunting or shooting. The exception is the Barnes copper bullets which are catching on partly because of environmental laws. Unless you have a sophisticated lathe set up you won’t be making those soon. What then are the differences between casting and swaging?
Casting is essentially melting lead or a lead mixture and pouring it in a mold. To achieve this you need a source of heat and a mold. The tools need for casting is a pot preferably an electric as it is easier to regulate but a cast iron type on a stove will work. Next are the molds you intend to use and a sizing die. Some lube and odds & ends and you have a basic set up. When you cast be sure to have good ventilation to avoid possible lead poisoning. You should also have safety goggles and gloves in case of a splatter. As for metal there are various types depending on what type of bullets you are casting. Pure lead is desirable for muzzle loading projectiles both for accuracy and ease of seating. For most knock about bullets at moderate velocities wheel weights are fine. If you happen to know someone who owns a tire shop so much the better. They are messy to work with as you have to melt off the clips and flux it but if the price is right who cares. You can harden it with a little tin which can be bought from various suppliers but it might not be cheap or necessary. When I was younger I use to dig bullets out of the dirt backstop and use them. I washed them with a hose to get as much of the dirt as possible before melting it down. If you do this be absolutely sure there is no water left or you will risk an explosion. I would spread out the bullets and let dry for a few days prior to melting. Any water dropped into a lead pot of melted lead will result in a shower of hot mix going all over the place including you. It could also start a fire so be sure there is no liquid near the pot. You can also buy alloyed metal from various suppliers but again it’s expensive and for general plinking it’s not necessary. When I cast bullets I use at least three different molds and rotate them to avoid overheating. Badly overheated molds will produce a frost on the bullets and the bases might look odd especially if you don’t let them cool enough before knocking off the sprue. When you drop the bullets out of the mold have a cloth to catch them to avoid dents as they are a bit soft until they cool completely. You can drop them directly into water from the mold and that will harden them to an extent if that’s important to you.
Casting might be better for the beginner as you can start fairly cheaply. You should read up on it and take all the safety precautions I have outlined. Lyman among others produces an excellent book on casting that you would do well to read. You are working with metal that is at least 600 degrees so keep that in mind. Casting is very safe if you follow the proper procedures. You can buy a small pot, mold, sizing die and lube for a few dollars if you shop around. Let’s say you are making bullets for a 38 special. For most uses a cast bullet is fine and when done properly is very accurate. If you can get wheel weights or something similar then the cost will go down. With the price of components going through the roof casting is a viable option for any shooter. You also get the satisfaction of making your own bullets and seeing them perform. As you progress you will pick up more molds and sophisticated equipment though you don’t need some of the stuff right away. You might want to start small to see if you like it and if so you can go from there. Casting low velocity rifle bullets will save you a lot of money and can be used for general target practice. I have also shot some small game with them and they are effective without destroying a lot of meat. Since you use less powder they are easier on the ears and pocketbook as powder cost more then the best steak Lb for Lb. Also since they operate at lower pressures you can use older cases and it easier on the gun.
Cast bullets of larger calibers are very effective on large and dangerous game. If anyone doubts that I have a picture of a 1200 Lb grizzly that was taken down with one shot from a 444 Marlin. The bullet was a 325 grain LBT type that I loaded for this hunter. His buddy also shot a grizzly with a 45-70 loaded with a 400 grain LBT bullet and like the other bear one shot did it. A good friend of mine shot a bison weighing about a ton with one shot from a 45-120 with a 520 grain bullet launched at 1600 fps. Keep in mind that cast bullets and black powder guns just about killed all the bison by the 1880’s. Someone might wonder why large caliber cast bullets are so effective in spite of their pedestrian velocities. Since they are traveling relatively slow they don’t upset or come apart as a high velocity bullet might. The more resistance a bullet meets the more likely it will change shape in an animal. The other thing is they are large calibers so they put a big hole into something in spite of little or no expansion and they generally penetrate very deep which enables them to contact and destroy more tissue and organs. They also break bones quite readily. The military guns made from the 1860’s to the 1880’s use large caliber lead bullets and they work quite well. If you are unfortunate enough to step in front of one even today you are in for a world of hurt. They typically run from 40 to 50 caliber, weigh from 3 to 500 grains and are launched from about 12 to 1500 FPS.
Cowboy shooters by their rules have to use cast bullets at black powder velocities and I don’t think that they feel handicapped in any way. Since they shoot against a clock they are loaded light for controllability. A cast bullet can be loaded to lower velocities then a jacketed one. You can load a cast bullet down to 600 fps or even a little less but doing that with a jacketed bullet is dicey at best. <br />
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44 Russian bullets can be swaged down to .422 for a 10.4 Bodero pistol<br />
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There are some military rifle matches that require cast bullets and military guns of the day. I have found that most military rifles such as the 30-40 Krag, 303 British and the 8 X 57 among others take to cast bullets like a duck to water. For the record I recently completed a test on the new Winchester model 70 in 7 mm-08 and it shot two types of cast bullets quite well. Years ago I use to shoot matches with a 38 special. I used a 10 cavity Hensley & Gibbs 125 grain SWC mold. With 4.5 X 231 I obtained accuracy that will equal any jacketed bullet on the market. For the type of shooting I was doing I gave a perfect combination between accuracy, velocity and controllability. I have a 10.4 Italian rifle that was converted to the 6.5 Carcano around WWl. Those conversions are not safe to shoot with full power loads but a 140 grain cast ahead of 5 grains of Red Dot is perfectly safe to shoot in this firearm.
You can use a slightly oversize cast bullet to slug a bore but don’t even think of using a jacketed bullet for that task. If you try it you will quickly see the downside of that stunt. I know a guy that had a jacketed bullet stuck in his barrel due to a freak accident. He used a rod to pound it out but only got the core leaving the jacket in. Ah what to do? Nothing he tried would remove it. Finally I made a couple of blanks and they did the job. I don’t recommend that procedure but it worked without harming the barrel that time. A stuck cast bullet would have been much easier to remove. If you lube the bullet and barrel it will make it easier to push through.
What are the advantages to using lead verses jacketed bullets? The most obvious advantage is price. With the cost of components going through the roof any dime you save is a good thing. For virtually all handgun practice cast bullets will more then suffice. At the velocities that they are launched leading shouldn’t be a problem. If it is there is either a rough bore or the bullet quality is suspect. Either its way too soft or improperly lubed. An undersize bullet will also perform poorly. I have shot tens of thousands of cast in many handguns and almost without exception obtain good to excellent accuracy and the bore doesn’t lead. Even in my 9 mm and 45 auto they perform well including feeding. If I am concerned about feeding in an auto I tumble the loaded ammo in a rotor type of tumbler with torn up newspaper. It polishes the bullets and they feed like greased lightning. They even work in my Broomhandle. In rifles they work as long as I don’t push the velocity too high. Depending on the individual rifle and bullet I have gone up to about 2200 with good accuracy but that isn’t true in all cases. I cast them a little harder then the handgun types as the velocity is somewhat higher. In calibers from the 30-30 to a 300 magnum accuracy at 50 to 100 yards can be excellent almost equaling jacketed bullets just slower. I usually keep them from 1100 to 1500 FPS for best results. I have shot them in everything from a 22 Hornet to a 45-120 with good results. The small calibers are a bit more finicky then the big stuff but a little patience can pay off. They are excellent small game and varmint loads as they don’t destroy much meat and are less noisy. Another advantage of casting bullets is you will always be able to make them as long as you have lead.<br />
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Cast bullets can be effective as hunting big game<br />
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Jacketed bullets are sometimes hard to get as there is a heavy demand on them at this time. I sometimes have to wait a couple of months or more to get some of the bullets I need.
In many of the old guns that I shoot a cast bullet is the only practical projectile as the steels are softer then newer barrels so jacketed bullet would quickly wear them out. One thing about cast bullets is whatever the mold shape is that will be your bullet. There’s no way you can change the shape though you can order a custom mold. You can also experiment with hardness and various lubes plus some sizing. Especially with the larger calibers I like the bullet to be .001-.002 larger then the bore as that tends to increase accuracy. I shoot many of the older military rifles and I am always gaining respect for them after observing the power and accuracy they can produce.
After extolling the virtues of cast bullets, and there are many, in the interest of full disclosure I don’t cast all of my bullets anymore. Time is one of the reasons that I buy many from commercial casters especially the common bullets I use. They have a good quality product and the prices are reasonable and I buy several thousand at a time. Some of them are delivered to the shop which is a big plus for me. I still cast my muzzle loading slugs as I can’t find them in a good quality plus most of my rifle bullets and odd ball slugs. Casting is a messy and time consuming chore and it doesn’t fascinate me like it used to. It is however a worthwhile project to peruse and you can learn a lot about bullets and yourself perusing it. In fact there might be a business opportunity for you if you don’t mind the investment, work and the heavy lifting.<br />
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Swaging a bullet is forming it under pressure as opposed to heat used in casting. You can take a lump of lead and form it into a bullet by putting it in a die and pressure forming it. That is a very basic way of swaging but it’s still done. You can buy swaged bullets from a couple of the bullet makers such as Speer and Hornady. They work at lower velocities but push them too hard and you will be spending some time getting the lead out of your bore. Hornady www.hornady.com makes one of my favorites. It is a 45 caliber 250 grain sized to 454 which works very well in a black powder Colt. They make various 32 and 38 caliber bullets the work ok in a verity of applications. I like the Hornady 32 caliber wad cutter in the 7.62 Nagant revolver. At the velocities I use it is accurate for that gun.
I take the Speer 148 grain HB WC and swage it up to a 44 or 45 with a zinc washer attached to the rear which is supposed to help cut down on the leading. In all honesty it has limited effectiveness unless you keep the velocities down. They are however accurate in those parameters. You can use a heavier piece of lead but it will require more effort to form. Also do not use hard lead as it will be very difficult to swage the washer on as the lead has to extrude through the hole in the center to hold it on to the bullet.<br />
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Bullets for 41 A & E were made from bumped up 40 calibers<br />
There are various types of swaging involving everything from a simple one step die to investing over a thousand dollars for a one caliber set up. If you want to try and make your own bullets by all means give it a try. I would start with basic equipment so if you decide it isn’t for you then you won’t be out a lot of cash. If you want to make your own jacketed bullets CH tool & die is a good place to start. They have dies for a basic 30 caliber plinker and handgun dies from 38 to 45 http://www.ch4d.com/ is their website for further info. The prices are reasonable and you can use a standard heavy duty press. They sometimes have jackets but Corbin www.corbins.com is usually a better source. Surprisingly Sierra bullets carry a few jackets also. All you need then is a way to make or get cores. The cores need to be consistent in weight in order to have a quality product. They can be a couple of grain over as the excess will bleed out during the swaging process. The CH dies are a two die set and can make either a hollow point or a flat/round nose depending on how you set the die. Keep in mind that the jackets are usually 3 to 4 thousands undersize so when you set the first die it has to be set down enough to seat the core and expand the jacket. After you make one mike it and adjust accordingly. Do not over do it as it might be difficult to extract from the die. To finish just set the die as to the shape you want and you are done. With a little practice you can make a quality bullet that will shoot well.<br />
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You can make some that are not available such as a shot filled bullet where you compress the shot and form the jacket. It makes one hell of a varmint load as they are lighter then standard and can be driven to some heady velocities. That is just one area you can experiment. You can make bullets similar to the ones made by the commercial manufactures but to me that’s a waste of time. The idea at in my view is to come up with something novel that will work at what it was designed to do. One example that I make is a 170 grain 44 caliber hollow point. For the core I use a 148 grain wad cutter that is pure lead and a half jacket. I form the ogive so no lead touches the bore. That way I can use it in my 44 Bulldog at 7 or 800 feet per second and get expansion or in my 444 Marlin at 2700 FPS. It works well either way and is easy to make. If you make revolver bullets then you need a cannelure for best results especially with heavy loads. Either the CH or Corbin cannelure tool works fine and has a reasonable price tag. Is it worth it? It does take time to make your own bullets so you have to factor that in also. That is something you will have to decide but you will learn a lot about bullets by making your own so that is a thought.
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300 grain 44 bullet & components used to make it<br />
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If you decide to make you own serious rifle bullet so be prepared to plunk down some big bucks. Rifle bullets frequently require more pressure to form so a special press and dies are required. I would guess that you would need about 1-K to get a basic set up that would give you about everything needed to start. I strongly suggest that you read up on it before trying it out. Improper procedures and settings will cause a lot of headaches and broken parts. Corbin supplies a lot of info on how to design and make your own bullets and you would do well to obtain some prior to any attempts to make bullets. If you buy more sophisticated equipment then the tariff is going to go up considerably. A basic two die set will run you over two hundred but if you buy a 5 die set that can put a boat tail on a bullet then it going to be much higher. A heavy duty press will cost several hundred dollars but for the larger rifle bullets it’s a necessity. Another factor is you really need to be detail orientated and have a lot of time to make this work for you. Can you make good bullets this way? Absolutely! I have made quite a few 30 caliber hunting bullets and they work well and are accurate. Can you make a better bullet then the commercial makers? In all honesty probably not as there are a lot of good bullets out there so making a better one would be difficult. However you might come up with an original design or find a niche in the market in case you want to make back some of your investment. If you really want to go all the way you can buy jacket making machinery. That way you can make your jackets as thick, thin or as long as you want them. Here again money is an issue as well as a place to set up the equipment. If you want equipment that will make many bullets an hour Corbin also has that but you will need a second mortgage on your house. They have dies to make jackets out of fired 22 rimfire shells plus all the gizmos and gadgets that you will need and some that you won’t. They have all the fluids and software and you should visit their website to get all the info before making a commitment.
Another type of swaging is reducing a bullets diameter to something that you can use. Normally it is used to make a bullet that isn’t readily available. A one die set is normal plus a heavy duty press. You can do this with either lead or jacketed bullets. Dies can be obtained from CH, Corbin or Lee. If you know a machinist he can also make custom sizes. Since I shoot a lot of odd ball guns I use this method a lot. For instance I have a 9.4 Dutch revolver. The bullet diameter is .380 which isn’t available anywhere as far as I know. I could have ordered a custom mold at big bucks plus a long weight which I wasn’t willing to do. I eventually figured out that I could reduce 40 caliber bullets down to 380 with just a reducing die. It sounds like a lot by reducing .02 but they shoot and work well. Accuracy for this gun at 7 yards is about 2 to 3” which isn’t bad for such a little gun with a crummy trigger and sights. Without this method of making bullets I couldn’t shoot it which would be sacrilege in my view. I have done that with the 8 mm Lebel revolver by reducing a 9 mm bullet down to 330. Sounds like a lot of reducing but they produce very good accuracy. <br />
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41 & 44 half jacket bullets. Lighter then normal and they expand<br />
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I wanted to make some some 38-40 ammo for a test. Specifically requested something other then sissy cowboy ammo. I took a 41 mag 180 grain and swaged it down to 401 for him and loaded them up to about 900 FPS which was about all I wanted to go in the old Colt he was using. They worked out well I make a lot of my 351 WSL bullets this way. I can make them from 115 to 200 grains and expect good results. I even swage 416 – 400 grain bullets to shoot in my 405. It is a heavy duty job but they work well and put the 405 into a serious big game rifle with that heavy slug. Honesty compels me to state that shooting them at 2000 FPS in my TC Encore isn’t much fun. Off weight bullets for the 348 such as a 180 or 250 grain can be made from 35 caliber rifle bullets. I suppose you could make some from 38 bullets for plinking or small game. Anytime you swage jacketed bullets down be sure to use a good lube or you will have a problem. I use the Hornady wax lube which works well for me but there are others. I have made bullets for the 8 X 56R, 9.3 X 72 and the 333 OKH by this method among many others. In many instances it is the difference in shooting and not shooting a gun. Not shooting an old gun is an option that I am not the least bit interested in.
In some cases you can over do it especially with the smaller calibers from 30 on down. You can make 7.35 Carcano out of 30 caliber bullets but it is difficult depending on the bullet you use. Some of then require so much effort that the base is deformed and/or some of the lead might be extruded out the point. Either problem can destroy accuracy and make the bullet look funny. If you do that operation you will have to experiment with various bullets to see which one works for you. Good lube is a must! Smaller calibers then the 30 aren’t worth the effort and seldom turn out ok. Like any other ammo or bullet making operation some refinement of your technique may be required. However due to less effort 30 caliber cast bullets work fine in the Carcano via swaging to .300.<br />
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There are other types of swaging one of which is putting a zinc or copper base on a bullet to cut down on the leading. There was a company, Sportflite, that used to offer dies and washers for that task but I don’t think that they are still around. I have some of their dies and washers and they work fairly well but not so good at high velocities. The bullet has to be soft so the lead will extrude through the hole and hold the washer in place. Corbin offers a similar set up but they use copper washers. To be honest I don’t think that either is worth the trouble. However at lower velocities they are accurate. Occasionally you might need to bump up a bullet in diameter. The one that I am doing now is I take a 40 caliber 180 grain and bump it to a 41. It is very easy by putting in the CH 41 finishing die and setting it properly. It makes a nice 41 HP which can be used in the 41 A & E or the 41 magnum. If I put in the flat base stem in makes a nice target bullet in the 41 magnum. I also bump up a 38 wadcutter to 44 to make a nifty 148 grain bullet for the 44 British Bulldog.
There are a few instances where you can use an empty case as a bullet jacket. One example is a 40 S & W or 10 mm case can be used to make a jacket for a 44 magnum bullet. If you do this be sure to thoroughly anneal the case so you can work it. Don’t mix them up with your shooting brass to do so would be courting disaster. There are a few others and the jacket would be pretty tough and I doubt that you will get a lot of expansion under most circumstances. I have made some 44’s which weigh 305 grains. Although they look funny they work fine for what they are meant to do. If you want a heavier bullet you can use a 10 mm case but it will require more muscle to make it. I make a neat 35 caliber bullet weighing 235 grains using a 30 carbine case as a jacket. There are other bullets that can be made from spent cases just use one that is as close as possible to the finished diameter of the finished bullet. A possibility is a 45 auto case used to make a 475 diameter bullet for the 475 Wildey or Linebaugh. I would avoid rimmed cases unless you want to remove the rim first which is another step.
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The 30 Harrett
There are many wildcats made for the TC handguns as being a single shot it lends itself for many offerings. Length and power are not limited in most cases. It just depends on how much recoil and muzzle blast you are willing to put up with. Some of them are ridiculous in regards to size compared to barrel length. I know of one fellow that has one in the 416 Rigby which to me is total insanity. I am not big on wildcats however one of the better ones in regards to balance and power is the 30 Harrett. It gives a good balance between power and controllability. It has enough power for most hunting situations it should be involved in without punishing recoil. I am not particularly recoil sensitive but like most folks I have limits. The Harrett is accurate and powerful enough for some deer hunting and would be a good varmint round. You can load bullets as light as 60 grains which would work well on varmints and pests. A good 130 to 150 grain bullet should work on deer. Barnes makes a nice 130 which should do the trick. There is a 357 Harrett that is also based on the 30-30 case but is longer and more powerful.
The 30 Harrett came out in 1972 designed by Steve Harrett the stock maker and the late gun writer Bob Milek made for the Contender pistol. It can fire a 150 grain bullet at about 2100 feet per second while a 125 can go over 2200 with a long barrel. It can be used for deer but is less powerful then the 30-30 rifle so skill is needed for successful hunting. Shot placement is vitally important to insure the success of your hunt. Some people over look that and concentrate on either excess power or firepower to bring down a game animal. The first shot is always the most important and if you blow that you might not get a second chance. I don’t consider it a long range hunting gun as it doesn’t have a lot of velocity to begin with. Those loads listed are about all you can realistically expect from it with a 10” barrel. I don’t recommend exceeding any listed max loads but that’s true with any gun. The TC is a strong gun but it does have it’s limits.
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Poor shot placement doesn’t bring down game animals even with powerful rounds. That’s why mild recoiling rounds are sometimes better then something that beats you up. I have seen more then a few hunters that were afraid of their weapon due to recoil but had too much pride to admit it. Shooting and hunting should be about fun not how much punishment you want or are willing to take.
Ammo is not available commercially except for small specialized reloading businesses but brass can easily be made from 30-30 brass. Just shorten to 1.6 inches and full length size. With some brass it is advisable to check neck thickness though that’s not generally a problem. Most chambers are tight so full length sizing is necessary. Dies are fairly easy to get, my set is from RCBS and they work fine. By the way it has a case capacity similar to the 7.62 X 39 round though they have different shapes. In a same length barrel ballistics would be very similar. Any 308 diameter bullet can be used from 60 to 150 grains. Cast bullets will also work ok Anything heavier wouldn’t have enough velocity to produce useful results. Cast bullets, which are often overlooked, also will work fine as would reduced loads. Accuracy can be splendid and cast bullets are generally cheaper to buy or you can cast your own. You can reduce the velocity of lead bullets for general plinking. Some of the newer bullets such as the Barnes X type of bullets in the 130 grain range should work very well in the Harrett.
Shooting the 30 Harrett isn’t too bad as far as recoil is concerned though with the 150’s you know that you are shooting something. It does have some muzzle blast but no worse then many other high intensity calibers. Ear protection is mandatory unless you want some ringing afterwards. My pistol has a 10 inch barrel which is fairly handy and I wouldn’t want a shorter barrel in this caliber. Actually I wish it was 12” but it is what it is. The 10” barrel does reduce velocity somewhat as opposed to a 15”. My guess with the 150 grain is you would lose around 150 feet per second. While the TC with proper grips will handle many calibers I don’t ever intend to fire something along the lines of the 416 Rigby thank you.
Here are a few loads for the Harrett
LOAD BULLET VELOCITY COMMENT
21 X 2400 110 grain round nose 2119 consistent
21.5 X 296 123 grain spitzer 2077 very good
28 X IMR 4198 123 grain spitzer 2119 good load
25.5 X RL 7 150 grain round nose 1851 consistent
25 X IMR 4198 150 grain round nose 1847 good load
My chamber is very tight so I had to shave a couple of thousands off the shell holder in order for all the ammo to chamber and fire. Once that was done I had no problems with the ammo. With the proper ammo it makes a nice compact hunting package.
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8 MM Jap Nambu
The Japanese military moved into the 20’th century in 1904 by introducing the 8 mm Nambu semi auto pistol called the 04. That replaced the 9 mm Jap revolver, which was a low powered rimmed 9 mm. In 1925 the type 14 was introduced having been designed by General Kijiro Nambu in the 14th year of the Taisho Emperor. The 14 is a recoil operated locked breech pistol. The model 14’s shape was partly inspired by the Luger and the action was partially derived from the Broomhandle though it had some of its own original features. The 14 was an improvement over the model 4 though it was still complicated and somewhat unreliable especially during bad weather. The magazine which holds 8 rounds is hard to remove and the safety requires two hands both bad features in a combat handgun. During the campaign in China they found out that the trigger guard was too small for use with gloves so an oversize model was introduced to remedy that situation. It was the mainstay through WW ll though other weapons were employed. Some Japanese officers, however bought superior weapons such as a 9 mm or the 1911 45 ACP as the Nambu is underpowered. Like some other military powers the handgun was regarded as a badge as opposed to a serious combat weapon.
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<i><b>7 mm Nambu ammmo</b></i>
The 7 mm Baby Nambu was utilized by some Japanese officers who had to buy their own weapons. The 7 mm used a .283 diameter bullet weighing from 56 to 70 grains. The listed factory load shows a 56 grain at about 1250 FPS rendering it useless for serious social work. The 7 mm diameter is unusual in a handgun and as far as I know the only gun chambered for a round in this caliber. It was a light, small and underpowered weapon and is seldom seen today. The 8 mm round was somewhat more powerful then a 32 auto but not by a lot. It is in the same class as the 8 mm Lebel revolver and the 8 mm Roth Steyer. Neither should be considered a serious military round. It uses an 8 mm .320 diameter bullet weighing from about 85 to 105 grain bullets. The military round featured a 103 grain bullet at about 1060 FPS. In power it is inferior to most of the side arms used by most other countries involved in the fray.
Here is a load that I found to work well and is accurate. The crude sights make it hard to shoot accurately until you get used to them. The trigger can be a challenge to master, being a fairly typical military type.
Load BULLET VELOCITY COMMENT
4 X 231 85 grain 1026 good load
The pistol resembles a Luger in looks however the designs have nothing in common. The cartridge resembles a 30 Luger but isn’t loaded as hot. One in good shape usually goes for several hundred dollars and can be found with some searching around. Ammo is somewhat available as are reloading components. If you can’t find cases, they can be made from 40 S & W necked down. It is worth the effort to locate ammo and shoot it.
Like all historical military weapons the Nambu is a great addition to any collection and well worth owning.
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<i><b>Note resemblence between Luger and Nambu</i>
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