Monday, July 21, 2008

Italian Revolvers

The Bodero Revolver
The 10.4 sometimes called the 10.35 was developed for the model 1874 service revolver. It came in two main models. The enlisted soldier’s model didn’t have a trigger guard and the trigger folded up while the officer’s model had a normal trigger guard. I am not sure as to any advantage of having two different trigger guard systems. There was also a brass frame model made but they are not common. Like many other guns of the period it was designed by a commission and made in several different plants so there are some minor differences between them. It is similar in size and power to the 44 Russian but isn’t interchangeable. In fact I have seen them rechambered for the 44 Russian which while usable destroys the collectors’ value of the piece. It was also used in the 1889 Glesenti revolver and saw some use up to 1945 as a secondary pistol. There were both black powder and smokeless loads developed for it. It was used until the 1920’s when the 9mm Glesenti replaced it as the first line service handgun. Occasionally you can find a revolver at a gun show or on an auction and the price is usually reasonable.







Ammo is somewhat of a problem as nothing is standard with this gun. Fiocchi has made ammo for it but availability is spotty or non existent. Like many of the obsolete guns that abound making your own is the only option. The listed ballistics is for a black powder load of a 177 grain is listed at 735 while a smokeless is launched at 800 feet per second. One can see that it’s not a powerhouse nor should the handloader attempt to make it one. I did not attempt to squeeze every last foot second out of this revolver as I prefer my weapons to be in one piece. If I desire more power I have plenty of other more modern handguns.
LOAD BULLET VELOCITY COMMENTS
5 X Herco 170 grain hj hp 552 slow
6 X Unique 170 grain hj hp 833 good load
4.5 X Herco 180 grain hp 452 slow
5.5 X Herco 180 grain hp 722 ok
5 X Herco 190 grain cast 802 accurate
3.5 X Herco 200 grain cast 577 consistent
4.5 X Unique 200 grain cast 729 accurate
4 X Herco 210 grain Wad cutter 719 accurate









Brass can be made by shortening a 44 special or Russian case or obtaining the brass from Buffalo Arms. www.buffaloarms.com. They make good quality brass for many hard to get cases for obsolete guns. Case length is listed at .89 while the loaded length is 1.25. It doesn’t take a very astute person to see that there isn’t a lot of room for the powder charge. Bullets are .422 in diameter and are very difficult to find. You need a custom mold or do as I do and swage down .427 diameter bullets and they work fine. I tried some Sierra hollow points swaged down but to be perfectly honest there is no advantage to using them. They are more expensive and won’t expand at the velocities obtainable with this revolver. I made some full metal jacketed bullets and while they shot ok there is no advantage to them that I am aware of. The 170 grain half jacket hollow point driven to 750 feet per second would expand due to its design and may be the best bullet for self defense if you chose to use the gun for that purpose. The lead bullets originally made for the 44-40 works just fine for any conceivable use and they were my all around favorites.. You won’t be driving any lead bullet fast enough to lead the bore. I would not recommend shooting 427 diameter bullets for a couple of reasons. First of all they probably won’t chamber and if they do excess pressure may result in shooting those oversize bullets. My bore slugged out at 422 which is the called for diameter. You can buy a set of reloading dies if you can find them though they will cost an arm and a leg. I found that using a 41 magnum seating die sized the cases perfectly and a cut down 44 special dies to bell the case and seat the bullet. Once I figured all that out loading isn’t any more difficult then any other revolver. The top loads I would consider max and would not exceed them and the light loads are shown for comparison purposes. My gun was made in the 1920’s near the end of the manufacturing period. That puts it in the smokeless powder period however I have no desire to make it a junior 44 magnum nor would any prudent individual.









The gun loads like most typical guns of that period. It appears to be a sturdy affair with a small grip both characteristics of that period. The barrel is about 4” long. The rear sight is very rudimentary being a notch in the frame while the front is a typical blade. There is a gate that lifts back and you just drop in the rounds. While it’s a double action piece I shot it single action as the trigger is very heavy in the double action mode. I suppose that people during that time had a bionic trigger finger. Anyway the single action was pretty decent being serviceable but heavy. It seems that military revolvers of that period were treated as stepchildren. Most of them aren’t very powerful and accuracy is an afterthought. With one or two exceptions most of them were underpowered and produced some complaints from the troops for that reason.




Enlisted soldiers' version which lacks the trigger guard




Recoil wasn’t bad with any of the loads. Accuracy was surprisingly good though it shot high. We obtained groups of 2’ at 15 yards with the best loads which is very respectable with such a gun. The empties have to be poked out one at a time which would encourage you to solve your problem with the first 6 shots. As for what it would be useful for small game comes to mind but would lack the power for any large game. While not the best item it would be fairly good for self defense at close range. It beats throwing rocks or taking a knife to a gun fight. After all no one wants to get shot with anything if they can avoid it. Its main use would be going out and target shooting and getting stares from fellow shooters who have their modern guns.
Bob Shell rel4350@aol.com

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To the Board of Directors,

Gentlemen I`am writing to present you with an idea that i think you may possibly find advantageous to your company. As i`am sure you are aware there is a great interest in whats called "Cowboy Action" shooting in this country and more and more guns of yesteryear are being resurected by the companies that make reproduction firearms.
The sport is growing constantly and the gun makers are constantly looking for ways to take even more advantage of this ever growing market. Guns like the Henry rifle,Spencer carbine, Colt and Remington conversion revolvers and the Colt 1872 Open Top and others are on the market and doudtless other guns of history will be made in the future.
The arms makers try to be as authenic as possible in their copies but one thing keeps them from being "true" copies.The majority of these guns are being made in calibers that the original guns were never made in.The Henry, Spencer,the majority of early Colts were made in rimfire calibers. Ammunition that has`nt been made by American companies since the 1920`s and early 30`s.But with the resurgence in interest in the old guns of our history and boost in ammo sales that go along with it i think it is time to resurect the original ammo these guns used as well. I ask you to think about it and concider this.
The new guns are generally offered in 2 and sometimes 3 caliber options, none of which were ever used in the originals to begin with. If the original rimfire calibers were offered as an addtional caliber option and the ammo for those calibers were available i believe both the guns and ammo sales would skyrocket.
Authenticity is what it is all about with the cowboy action crowd and the collectors and other shooters of these guns.What could be more "authenic" that having a repro in it`s original
chambering rather than a caliber that never was used in the original? Not to mention the fact that if ammo were available once again people that own originals like myself would love to be able to shoot them as well.
i believe that if arrangements could be reached between the gun makers and your company in that they would make the guns with their original calibers as options and you in turn make the ammo available i think it would be a boost in sales for both. I ask both of you to do this.
The gun makers offer the guns in their original calibers as a limited trial. You in turn make a limited run of the ammo. you both market the availablity of guns and ammo and see how it works. I believe you will find a gold mine has been discovered.
About 20 yrs ago i wrote a letter to your company asking that you concider making various rimfire ammo available again for people like myself who own antiques and would love to shoot them if ammo were available.My letter made it into the hands of someone { can`t recall who}
but he was a higher up in the company at the time.
He wrote me back saying he personally thought i had a good idea and he had presented my idea before the board and they turned it down saying they did`nt believe there was enouht of a market out there
Well things have changed quite a lot since then and i think that my idea might be worth concideration once again. I hope you agree as well.

Sincerely,
Robert Heins