Tuesday, July 7, 2015

Freedom Arms 22 Center fire Revolver

               

View of Freedom Arms 22 CF

                                      Freedom Arms 22/327
 Freedom Arms has been making high quality revolvers for a number of years. They are known for their strength and tight tolerances.  They are chambered for a verity of rounds up to the 454 Casull.  I own a 454 and it is a work of art in regards to it mechanical features.


327-22 & 22 RF mag

 Recently they brought out a 22 centerfire based on a 327 Federal case necked down.  There are a few real bad ideas out there and this has to rank right along with the worst. You have a $2500.00 gun that shoots a bottleneck 22 based on a 327 Federal case necked down. That in itself is a job and with some brands case loss is high. In addition, they have to be trimmed and sized. Due to the tight dimensions they have to be perfect in order to fit. No one at this time makes factory ammo or formed cases so you are on your own there. That may not change. I don’t anticipate that sales will increase especially in view of the fact that there is no factory ammo available. An interesting chambering might be the 22 Velo Dog round. It is an obsolete round that was used over 100 years ago in a small double action revolver. Bicyclists carried it to protect themselves from roaming dogs. Just imagine today someone making a handgun specifically to shoot dogs. It was very underpowered and would more likely injure then kill a dog.   Today you would make cases out of 22 Hornet brass which requires a lot of work. If someone made the cases, reloading it would be pretty routine. It looks almost like a 22 RF mag except it is a centerfire. If you had good brass you could get some good loads because the gun is strong enough to exploit all of the potential of the Velo Dog round. In addition, it may not back out as the 22-327 does.
 I fired the light loads and as with most revolvers chambered for bottleneck cases they backed out and jammed.   I tried a verity of powders and loads but most backed out tying up the gun. Even light loads caused that problem. Due to time constraints, I couldn’t do more research and this load listed works well so I will stick with it. I feel that with more time and perhaps a different gun I could have worked up better loads. It is accurate however. Also due to tight tolerances, cases have to be perfectly trimmed and sized which led to another problem. I had some cases separate which is usually due to excess headspace. I will back off the sizing die a tiny bit to see if that helps. I have worked with Federal and Starline cases and Starline is better suited for this task as the loss with Federals was very high when sizing down.  In addition, some of the 45 gr hollow points would not chamber probably due to the ogive so will stick with the Hornady 40 grain.  I tried 4 grains of Trail Boss and a 40 grain Hornady bullet and it worked pretty well. So that and 4227 seem to be the two best powders I have tried. Without a doubt there are other combinations that will work but I don’t have unlimited access to the gun. I have figured out how to make the cases fit and fire which was a challenge. 


Case splitting was a common occurrence especially with Federal cases

 The gun is a quality product which you would expect from Freedom Arms. Accuracy is very good and with the light recoil it is easy and fun to shoot. The trigger and sights are nice but I would not buy In my view it is more costly then what it gives. If you want an expensive toy then this might just be the item you need.  it One thing that may make it more attractive is to offer rimfire cylinders in 22 LR and 22 mag. That would add to the cost but at least you would be able to shoot it more.    Possible in their single shot as it would make a nice pest round somewhere in the neighborhood of a 22 Hornet load. That is why they make different types of guns.

LOAD                                 BULLET                         VELOCITY                    COMMENT
12 grains 4227                40 grain Hornady        2150                             high es
12 grains 4227               45 gr RN HP Rem         2157                             high es

Freedom Arms 327-22



 I didn’t have an opportunity to try cast bullets but they may be a viable option. If I paid $2500.00  for such a gun I would want as much flexibility as possible. 

From L   22-327, 22 Velo Dog, 22 RF mag & 22 Hornet 

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To the Board of Directors,

Gentlemen I`am writing to present you with an idea that i think you may possibly find advantageous to your company. As i`am sure you are aware there is a great interest in whats called "Cowboy Action" shooting in this country and more and more guns of yesteryear are being resurected by the companies that make reproduction firearms.
The sport is growing constantly and the gun makers are constantly looking for ways to take even more advantage of this ever growing market. Guns like the Henry rifle,Spencer carbine, Colt and Remington conversion revolvers and the Colt 1872 Open Top and others are on the market and doudtless other guns of history will be made in the future.
The arms makers try to be as authenic as possible in their copies but one thing keeps them from being "true" copies.The majority of these guns are being made in calibers that the original guns were never made in.The Henry, Spencer,the majority of early Colts were made in rimfire calibers. Ammunition that has`nt been made by American companies since the 1920`s and early 30`s.But with the resurgence in interest in the old guns of our history and boost in ammo sales that go along with it i think it is time to resurect the original ammo these guns used as well. I ask you to think about it and concider this.
The new guns are generally offered in 2 and sometimes 3 caliber options, none of which were ever used in the originals to begin with. If the original rimfire calibers were offered as an addtional caliber option and the ammo for those calibers were available i believe both the guns and ammo sales would skyrocket.
Authenticity is what it is all about with the cowboy action crowd and the collectors and other shooters of these guns.What could be more "authenic" that having a repro in it`s original
chambering rather than a caliber that never was used in the original? Not to mention the fact that if ammo were available once again people that own originals like myself would love to be able to shoot them as well.
i believe that if arrangements could be reached between the gun makers and your company in that they would make the guns with their original calibers as options and you in turn make the ammo available i think it would be a boost in sales for both. I ask both of you to do this.
The gun makers offer the guns in their original calibers as a limited trial. You in turn make a limited run of the ammo. you both market the availablity of guns and ammo and see how it works. I believe you will find a gold mine has been discovered.
About 20 yrs ago i wrote a letter to your company asking that you concider making various rimfire ammo available again for people like myself who own antiques and would love to shoot them if ammo were available.My letter made it into the hands of someone { can`t recall who}
but he was a higher up in the company at the time.
He wrote me back saying he personally thought i had a good idea and he had presented my idea before the board and they turned it down saying they did`nt believe there was enouht of a market out there
Well things have changed quite a lot since then and i think that my idea might be worth concideration once again. I hope you agree as well.

Sincerely,
Robert Heins