Saturday, February 9, 2013

Charactoristics of Bulk Ammo


 

A  Luger such as this one is a perfect match for surplus ammo 

                                                   Characteristics of Bulk Ammo

 As we shooters are finding out the cost of ammo is spiraling out of control. Every time you go into a gun store, sticker shock happens when you buy some ammo. There are a couple of reasons for this occurrence. First of all, with the re-election of Obama there is a fear that he is going to go after us gun owners in one way or another. Unfortunately, that fear is justified. Another reason that ammo is going up is the demand from both military and civilian usage.  People are buying and stockpiling ammo for a rainy day. The law enforcement community is also buying large amounts of this product.  I have toured various ammo and bullet factories plus I have talked to various contacts in the industry and they all say that they can’t keep up with the demand although some companies are running 24-7.

 So if you like, to do a lot of shooting what are your options? Some people opt for reloading their own but the supply problems also plague that industry. It is however a good option but we are going to look at the other route.  Many of the guns that are currently popular are chambered for military rounds from various countries. One fact about military calibers is that they are commercially successful regardless of their characteristics. For the shopper of these calibers there are some good sources for these loads. One definite upside to buying bulk is the price. Ammo bought in bulk is about 50% the cost of regular store bought fodder depending on caliber and location.  

7.35 Carcano ammo is available surplus but may not always go off 

Ok so you are sold where do you get this stuff? One good place to start is at the gunshows. Especially the larger ones there is usually at least one distributer of bulk ammo. For the purposes of this article bulk will be at least 500 rounds. There isn’t much sense in buying smaller quantities especially if you want to save money. I see folks buying bulk is such quantities that they bring in a cart to carry it out.   Perhaps they get together with some friends and go into large lots which would be a good idea. Another advantage to buying at a gunshow is the elimination of shipping charges, which can be steep with heavy packages.  In the area I live in there is a company that sells bulk reloads in such calibers as 38 special and 45 Colt. The old adage that buying reloads at a gunshow is risky business in no longer valid. If you deal with a reputable company you will get good ammo at a reasonable price. I have tried a few of their calibers with satisfaction. Naturally, the brass is reloadable so you should pick it up. 

8 X 57 Mauser ammo is available and generally reliable  

 You may live in an area that doesn’t have a gunshow near by so the next best option is buying from various distributers online or get their catalog. Since shipping cost may be an issue you want to buy the largest quantity as you can. Going in with shooting buddies is a good idea.  One good source is Cheaper Then Dirt  http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/categorylisting.aspx?catid=75   You can go to their online catalog and check on prices and availability. If it is out of stock that info will show up on that page. They have a good selection at reasonable prices.  Another good source of bulk ammo is Ventura ammo http://www.venturamunitions.com/  They have both Wolf and reloaded ammo including 38 special and 40 S & W besides the regular military stuff.  I have dealt with these folks and the experience was good.  Another possible source for surplus ammo is J & G sales  http://www.jgsales.com/index.php  A company I ran across that advertises 7.62 X 39 is http://www.swisslink.com/     may help out with your ammo purchases. Another excellent source for bulk is SOG  http://www.southernohiogun.com/   They have such calibers as the 7.5 French and 7.62 X 38 for the Russian Nagant. The 40 S & W is also available in bulk. 

 

 7.65 X 53, 8 X 56 30-40, 303 British and 7.62 Mas can be found on the market

So when you buy this ammo what should you expect in regards to quality and reliability? That is a legitimate concern, as poor ammo isn’t a bargain at any price. The ammo should feed and eject reliability and go off every time. You also want decent accuracy and safe loads. Keep in mind that this ammo is lower priced so they use less expensive materials, which isn’t a bad thing if done properly. A lot of the ammo is made overseas again that is ok. A lot of the cases are steel as opposed to brass which cuts the cost. The down side is they are not reloadable which may or may not be important to the consumer. They also have Berdan primers, which also makes them not suitable for reloading but further cuts the cost of the ammo. They generally have FMJ bullets, which for shooting purposes is fine. One of the largest manufactures of bulk ammo is Wolf.  http://www.wolfammo.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1   They do offer brass cases with soft point bullets for those who prefer this type of ammo. Ventura ammo also offers this option in some calibers. That ammo may cost a bit more but is worth it to some consumers. The soft point ammo is good for some types of hunting. I had a batch of Wolf in 7.62 X 54 with a 205 grain softpoint and it shot quite well. I even pulled some of the bullets to use in the 303 British and 7.65 Mauser rounds with good results.     

More surplus ammo  

Sometimes you can find 6.5 Dutch but iit would probably misfire
 
 
 Since there are a lot of military rifles and handguns from WWl and ll the question of bulk frequently comes up for these relics. Buying bulk is possible for some but can be tricky. Keep in mind that WW ll ended 67 years ago and the manufacture of ammo for some was discontinued. If you buy bulk ammo for these there are a couple of things to be aware of.  Depending on original quality and storage you might have a lot of misfires. Another problem and potentially more dangerous is the hangfire. What happens is when you shoot the round doesn’t go off right away but may go off a few seconds later. If you have a misfire with any ammo keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction for at least 60 seconds before opening action. If you start to open the gun and the round goes off a serious injury may occur.  Some years ago I had some 303 British that did exactly that. About the only thing you can do is pull the bullets, if able and dispose of it. This ammo had the Cordite powder, which made for a good photo so all wasn’t lost. Another time I bought 500 rounds of 7.5 X 54 French and the ammo looked great. Unfortunately none of it went off so I pulled the bullets and used them for another project.  Like the newer bulk sometimes you can find it at a gunshow.   A good source to find bulk ammo is the Shotgun News magazine, which is available by subscription and on magazine racks. They are essentially a militarily orientated publication and they have advertisers of bulk and surplus ammo. I have seen such items as 30-06, 8 X 57 Mauser and 7.65 Mauser ammo advertised. Some of it was made in the 1980’s and 90’s and should be reliable. Occasionally you can find other calibers such as the 7.35 Carcano but it may not go off.  Pistol calibers such as the 7.62 X 25 Tokerav can be found with a little research. I have a CZ 52 and found that the bulk works well in it.  When looking for some of the less popular calibers some patience is required which will pay off in the end. If the ammo is old and looks bad you might want to give it a pass unless it is really dirt cheap. That way if it doesn’t  go off you still have the components.  Another thing to keep in mind is most of it has corrosive primers which will require you to thoroughly clean your weapon to avoid rust or other damage. When buying surplus or bulk assume that it has a corrosive primer to avoid any problems. Like any other shopping if you put some time and effort in it you will find what you are looking for at a decent price.

 I have shot a lot of bulk ammo in various weapons in my line of work.  I study ammo performance in various weapons and situations. I have shot a lot of ammo in anything from 9 mm to 308 and 30-06. With such brands as Wolf quality is generally good. Some loads leave some residue though I never had a malfunction because of it.  I have chronographed some and consistency and velocity is usually pretty decent though not top notch. Then again, you are not paying premium prices either. Accuracy is more then adequate for most purposes. I have been to our public range quite a few times and have observed that most shooter of the AK and AR platforms seldom shoot over 50 yards. A few do go out to 100 but that isn’t that common. For what it is designed for performance is good and I would recommend using bulk whenever available.       



8 MM Lebel Ammo
 

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    -Richard

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To the Board of Directors,

Gentlemen I`am writing to present you with an idea that i think you may possibly find advantageous to your company. As i`am sure you are aware there is a great interest in whats called "Cowboy Action" shooting in this country and more and more guns of yesteryear are being resurected by the companies that make reproduction firearms.
The sport is growing constantly and the gun makers are constantly looking for ways to take even more advantage of this ever growing market. Guns like the Henry rifle,Spencer carbine, Colt and Remington conversion revolvers and the Colt 1872 Open Top and others are on the market and doudtless other guns of history will be made in the future.
The arms makers try to be as authenic as possible in their copies but one thing keeps them from being "true" copies.The majority of these guns are being made in calibers that the original guns were never made in.The Henry, Spencer,the majority of early Colts were made in rimfire calibers. Ammunition that has`nt been made by American companies since the 1920`s and early 30`s.But with the resurgence in interest in the old guns of our history and boost in ammo sales that go along with it i think it is time to resurect the original ammo these guns used as well. I ask you to think about it and concider this.
The new guns are generally offered in 2 and sometimes 3 caliber options, none of which were ever used in the originals to begin with. If the original rimfire calibers were offered as an addtional caliber option and the ammo for those calibers were available i believe both the guns and ammo sales would skyrocket.
Authenticity is what it is all about with the cowboy action crowd and the collectors and other shooters of these guns.What could be more "authenic" that having a repro in it`s original
chambering rather than a caliber that never was used in the original? Not to mention the fact that if ammo were available once again people that own originals like myself would love to be able to shoot them as well.
i believe that if arrangements could be reached between the gun makers and your company in that they would make the guns with their original calibers as options and you in turn make the ammo available i think it would be a boost in sales for both. I ask both of you to do this.
The gun makers offer the guns in their original calibers as a limited trial. You in turn make a limited run of the ammo. you both market the availablity of guns and ammo and see how it works. I believe you will find a gold mine has been discovered.
About 20 yrs ago i wrote a letter to your company asking that you concider making various rimfire ammo available again for people like myself who own antiques and would love to shoot them if ammo were available.My letter made it into the hands of someone { can`t recall who}
but he was a higher up in the company at the time.
He wrote me back saying he personally thought i had a good idea and he had presented my idea before the board and they turned it down saying they did`nt believe there was enouht of a market out there
Well things have changed quite a lot since then and i think that my idea might be worth concideration once again. I hope you agree as well.

Sincerely,
Robert Heins